Angelos „Ange“ Postecoglou

jdthebrit

jdthebrit

Jack Burkitt
Captain Sinister said:
This is going to be the last time visit this thread... he did 39 days, picked up a large wedge, and thankfully he's gone.
Let it lie!
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You think?

There are some things that must never be forgotten, lest they happen again....
Of course, you wont be reading this post, as you wont be visiting this thread again - but seriously, this shit must be remembered in case Forest have a brain attack again in the distant future, and need a jolt of a reminder not to be cloth ears, to stick to actually employing football managers/coaches, instead of egotistical charalatans.
 
Chairman Mo

Chairman Mo

First Team Squad
Newforest said:
It's true that Ange made a lot of mistakes and probably wasn't a good fit.

It's also true that the form of Forest under Ange could easily be explained by transitioning to an entirely different way of playing midseason with very little time for training sessions between matches and international breaks. The constant criticism of him constantly making changes is a good example. I think it is very reasonable as a new manager to give your squad a run and to try different combinations at the start of your time. In fact, I think that's ultimately good for a squad that they see they have been given a chance and that they are valued. And then complaints that at times the team lacked shape and fluidity. I just think that's inevitable. There were also periods of excellent football, and that's just often how it goes in such situations.

Ange has some really impressive achievements, he's basically won at every job he's had (just ask him), and he was attempting to implement an attacking brand of football. I personally think it would have been worth the risk to see it play out a bit more.

I don't really think it's necessary to argue he was totally hopeless or ignore the obvious fact that he really was given very unfair treatment (if you are hiring him on the basis of changing your brand of football), in order to say you're happy that he's gone and Dyche is in. It's obvious neither the fan base or management were anywhere near willing to take the risk of letting Ange do the job he wanted to do and was apparently hired to do. Fair enough, but I really don't see it as much of blemish against his record. Forest wanted a much more conservative approach to their football. Dyche is the right guy then.
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66 points from his final 63 games in the EPL.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Newforest said:
It's true that Ange made a lot of mistakes and probably wasn't a good fit.

It's also true that the form of Forest under Ange could easily be explained by transitioning to an entirely different way of playing midseason with very little time for training sessions between matches and international breaks. The constant criticism of him constantly making changes is a good example. I think it is very reasonable as a new manager to give your squad a run and to try different combinations at the start of your time. In fact, I think that's ultimately good for a squad that they see they have been given a chance and that they are valued. And then complaints that at times the team lacked shape and fluidity. I just think that's inevitable. There were also periods of excellent football, and that's just often how it goes in such situations.

Ange has some really impressive achievements, he's basically won at every job he's had (just ask him), and he was attempting to implement an attacking brand of football. I personally think it would have been worth the risk to see it play out a bit more.

I don't really think it's necessary to argue he was totally hopeless or ignore the obvious fact that he really was given very unfair treatment (if you are hiring him on the basis of changing your brand of football), in order to say you're happy that he's gone and Dyche is in. It's obvious neither the fan base or management were anywhere near willing to take the risk of letting Ange do the job he wanted to do and was apparently hired to do. Fair enough, but I really don't see it as much of blemish against his record. Forest wanted a much more conservative approach to their football. Dyche is the right guy then.
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He wasn't transitioning into any style. He changed it every game. And if he was, it was clearly too much to deal with so a normal human being would come in and gradually change things. His time is summed up when he was asked how long it is going to take to get your style implemented and he said "Wednesday", and we lose the game in the most stereotypical Ange way imaginable.

I remember the story about Carlo Ancelotti at Chelsea where he told the players big changes were coming, and he changed absolutely nothing until a month later he had changed everything without the players even noticing.

I don't think the club has ever been concerned about style, the owner has never prioritized it in the past at any of his clubs, if you win he is happy. Ange branded himself as a winner & he just won the Europa League which is why I believe he got the job, not because the owner loved or wanted his brand of football.
 
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'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
Newforest said:
It's true that Ange made a lot of mistakes and probably wasn't a good fit.

It's also true that the form of Forest under Ange could easily be explained by transitioning to an entirely different way of playing midseason with very little time for training sessions between matches and international breaks. The constant criticism of him constantly making changes is a good example. I think it is very reasonable as a new manager to give your squad a run and to try different combinations at the start of your time. In fact, I think that's ultimately good for a squad that they see they have been given a chance and that they are valued. And then complaints that at times the team lacked shape and fluidity. I just think that's inevitable. There were also periods of excellent football, and that's just often how it goes in such situations.

Ange has some really impressive achievements, he's basically won at every job he's had (just ask him), and he was attempting to implement an attacking brand of football. I personally think it would have been worth the risk to see it play out a bit more.

I don't really think it's necessary to argue he was totally hopeless or ignore the obvious fact that he really was given very unfair treatment (if you are hiring him on the basis of changing your brand of football), in order to say you're happy that he's gone and Dyche is in. It's obvious neither the fan base or management were anywhere near willing to take the risk of letting Ange do the job he wanted to do and was apparently hired to do. Fair enough, but I really don't see it as much of blemish against his record. Forest wanted a much more conservative approach to their football. Dyche is the right guy then.
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I understand your point about having a pre season, but even in the games where we played well, we still couldn’t get a win. For 30 minutes at Betis, we were superb, but still conceded 2 goals and didn’t manage to get across the line.

It’s true that Ange has been successful in the past, however there is a huge difference between the Premier League and the places he’s managed.

You also have to understand that Forest fans weren’t judging Ange on his 8 games at the club, it was his overall record in the Premier League - he currently stands at 1 win in 18 PL games and lost 22 games with Spurs - that’s an awful record. A club like Spurs would have been relegated under Ange if the 3 Championship teams weren’t so bad. The risk of keeping Ange on was relegation.

There is also the matter of his ‘off field’ demeanour. Head down in interviews, talking about himself too much and an arrogant manner. I love a bit of arrogance, but if you’re not getting results, you look like an idiot. Ange will stay in work in Asia, Scotland, or Saudi, but he won’t be touched by a top European club again.
 
incapable hulk

incapable hulk

Best served cold
Newforest said:
It's true that Ange made a lot of mistakes and probably wasn't a good fit.

It's also true that the form of Forest under Ange could easily be explained by transitioning to an entirely different way of playing midseason with very little time for training sessions between matches and international breaks. The constant criticism of him constantly making changes is a good example. I think it is very reasonable as a new manager to give your squad a run and to try different combinations at the start of your time. In fact, I think that's ultimately good for a squad that they see they have been given a chance and that they are valued. And then complaints that at times the team lacked shape and fluidity. I just think that's inevitable. There were also periods of excellent football, and that's just often how it goes in such situations.

Ange has some really impressive achievements, he's basically won at every job he's had (just ask him), and he was attempting to implement an attacking brand of football. I personally think it would have been worth the risk to see it play out a bit more.

I don't really think it's necessary to argue he was totally hopeless or ignore the obvious fact that he really was given very unfair treatment (if you are hiring him on the basis of changing your brand of football), in order to say you're happy that he's gone and Dyche is in. It's obvious neither the fan base or management were anywhere near willing to take the risk of letting Ange do the job he wanted to do and was apparently hired to do. Fair enough, but I really don't see it as much of blemish against his record. Forest wanted a much more conservative approach to their football. Dyche is the right guy then.
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Ange wasn't bought in to take his time chopping and changing though. He was bought in to hit the ground running and take us far in Europe. Ange appeared to treat all the games like they were disposable pre-season games which is why he failed and failed so hard.

I like Ange but his biggest flaw was not taking what already worked and implenting gradual changes to get to where he wanted us to be.
 
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floridatricky

First Team Squad
He came in at a very awkward time, just like Dyche is now, where it's game after game and international breaks, so there has to be some level of changes to cope with the different competitions. Added to the fact he couldn't seem to buy a win, you could understand him tinkering to some degree. The Sunderland one though was a real head scratcher after looking like proper "AngeBall" against Betis.

I think things could have gone very different though, Aina getting injured on international duty, Murillo in the 1st half of the first match. Our defence was weakened at the very outset. We also had players missing countless chances, so he quite easily could have had 3 wins in his 8 games. And we really shouldn't have lost to Chelsea on Saturday

However he didn't help himself in press conferences, if he just didn't bite when certain questions came up and constantly referring to Tottenham he could have endeared himself to the fans a little more.
 
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Wheats

First Team Squad
Benched said:
I honestly do believe Ange is a victim of his own success. He’s played a certain way his entire career, and it’s worked.
And then there’s the PL. Massive wake up call. Massive step up.
I do hope he learns and adjust. More so though our budding managers learn from his mistakes.
Just as we all know in our careers, we need to continually learn, evolve, apply.
There’s always someone just a tad smarter than you.
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Most sensible post you’ve made since you arrived in our forum. You told me to “get back in my cave” when I suggested that his previous “accomplishments” meant f**k all in the EPL. I hope you recognise that you were misguided in saying that.
The truth is, like it or not (personally I hate some aspects of it) the EPL has the most money, best players (Barca and Real Madrid aside), the biggest commercial draw, the best coaches in the world, most competitive league etc etc, the list is literally endless …. all undeniable facts.
The Oz league, Scotland, Japan or whether else he coached is literally meaningless when it comes to this competition.
Recognising this goes a long way to explaining why a huge proportion of Forest fans were dead against employing him in the first place.
 
Benched

Benched

Youth Team
Wheats said:
Most sensible post you’ve made since you arrived in our forum. You told me to “get back in my cave” when I suggested that his previous “accomplishments” meant f**k all in the EPL. I hope you recognise that you were misguided in saying that.
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Fair play. Sometimes a misguided sense of nationalistic loyalty mixed in with a combination of beer, cider and Shiraz may have seen me overstep the mark (I also blame the time difference). I do apologise.
In my defence though I did feel a bit like an Aussie punching bag at times.
Hope all is forgiven. It is here.
 
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Wheats

First Team Squad
Benched said:
Fair play. Sometimes a misguided sense of nationalistic loyalty mixed in with a combination of beer, cider and Shiraz may have seen me overstep the mark (I also blame the time difference). I do apologise.
In my defence though I did feel a bit like an Aussie punching bag at times.
Hope all is forgiven. It is here.
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Absolutely no problem mate 👍
 
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SLM92NF

Jack Burkitt
Rzar said:
He wasn't transitioning into any style. He changed it every game. And if he was, it was clearly too much to deal with so a normal human being would come in and gradually change things. His time is summed up when he was asked how long it is going to take to get your style implemented and he said "Wednesday", and we lose the game in the most stereotypical Ange way imaginable.

I remember the story about Carlo Ancelotti at Chelsea where he told the players big changes were coming, and he changed absolutely nothing until a month later he had changed everything without the players even noticing.

I don't think the club has ever been concerned about style, the owner has never prioritized it in the past at any of his clubs, if you win he is happy. Ange branded himself as a winner & he just won the Europa League which is why I believe he got the job, not because the owner loved or wanted his brand of football.
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He had no time to transition, hence the Wednesday answer. He knew it, we knew it, there was no time to adjust. But there was a manager that was gonna insist we attacked, insist we didn't stop and insisted we played to outscore the opponent so conceding wasn't even a concern.

Now that is my kind of football manager, but that's how I am where footballs concerned. I think I put a post on here when appointed saying for me he was perfect but I was never thinking he'd have the time to get us to where he'd want us, I thought he'd have a bit more than he got though!

Someone else has posted something about how poignant Swansea were. I don't know answer to that but I'm convinced he'd be leading us at Porto tonight if he had 1 win in those 8 games! I also don't blame the manager for that loss at all, I think the goalkeeper did personally. I don't know how you legislate for his performance with tactics.

I don't think we changed every game, I think there was a clear theme in our play throughout. Im still completely bemused how many glaring chances we missed in each game. It just made no sense! Newcastle away you could argue we changed however, he gave up on himself that weekend to try and get a result to survive. As for interviews, at least he's original and authentic is my view, found it more interesting than most as I believed it was genuine!

There's no point me carrying on is there, he's gone, I need to get over it and I think I need to accept I'm in a very very small minority and trying to convince the masses to agree with me when the guys gone is utterly pointless now!

FWIW, Sean Dyche is probably one of the main blokes in football I'd absolutely love to be mates with in every sense!
 
Eddie Yates

Eddie Yates

Ian Bowyer
SLM92NF said:
He had no time to transition, hence the Wednesday answer. He knew it, we knew it, there was no time to adjust. But there was a manager that was gonna insist we attacked, insist we didn't stop and insisted we played to outscore the opponent so conceding wasn't even a concern.

Now that is my kind of football manager, but that's how I am where footballs concerned. I think I put a post on here when appointed saying for me he was perfect but I was never thinking he'd have the time to get us to where he'd want us, I thought he'd have a bit more than he got though!

Someone else has posted something about how poignant Swansea were. I don't know answer to that but I'm convinced he'd be leading us at Porto tonight if he had 1 win in those 8 games! I also don't blame the manager for that loss at all, I think the goalkeeper did personally. I don't know how you legislate for his performance with tactics.

I don't think we changed every game, I think there was a clear theme in our play throughout. Im still completely bemused how many glaring chances we missed in each game. It just made no sense! Newcastle away you could argue we changed however, he gave up on himself that weekend to try and get a result to survive. As for interviews, at least he's original and authentic is my view, found it more interesting than most as I believed it was genuine!

There's no point me carrying on is there, he's gone, I need to get over it and I think I need to accept I'm in a very very small minority and trying to convince the masses to agree with me when the guys gone is utterly pointless now!

FWIW, Sean Dyche is probably one of the main blokes in football I'd absolutely love to be mates with in every sense!
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f*** me pink, what a post

I admire your bollocks for standing over that load of shite
 
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Wheats

First Team Squad
SLM92NF said:
He had no time to transition, hence the Wednesday answer. He knew it, we knew it, there was no time to adjust. But there was a manager that was gonna insist we attacked, insist we didn't stop and insisted we played to outscore the opponent so conceding wasn't even a concern.

Now that is my kind of football manager, but that's how I am where footballs concerned. I think I put a post on here when appointed saying for me he was perfect but I was never thinking he'd have the time to get us to where he'd want us, I thought he'd have a bit more than he got though!

Someone else has posted something about how poignant Swansea were. I don't know answer to that but I'm convinced he'd be leading us at Porto tonight if he had 1 win in those 8 games! I also don't blame the manager for that loss at all, I think the goalkeeper did personally. I don't know how you legislate for his performance with tactics.

I don't think we changed every game, I think there was a clear theme in our play throughout. Im still completely bemused how many glaring chances we missed in each game. It just made no sense! Newcastle away you could argue we changed however, he gave up on himself that weekend to try and get a result to survive. As for interviews, at least he's original and authentic is my view, found it more interesting than most as I believed it was genuine!

There's no point me carrying on is there, he's gone, I need to get over it and I think I need to accept I'm in a very very small minority and trying to convince the masses to agree with me when the guys gone is utterly pointless now!

FWIW, Sean Dyche is probably one of the main blokes in football I'd absolutely love to be mates with in every sense!
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I think you might want to consider that the objective is to actually win 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Jacquoz said:
Today proved to me this clown is an absolute numpty. He truly had no clue.
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I don’t even wanna see his name again, you could make a list a mile long about all the ridiculous stuff he did & didn’t do.

Our players don’t need much coaching, they need organising and the rest will take care of itself. And it would help if you didn’t make the entire world hate you.
 
Farmer Jack

Farmer Jack

Steve Chettle
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chaospunx

chaospunx

Grenville Morris
Ange you can get to f*** forever for ruining our first home game in Europe for 30 years luckily someone who can actually manage a team and people made the second one a spectacular occasion now to be deleted from mind and forgot those 39 days ever happened.
You treated it like we were lucky to have you hope you watched tonight and saw we are very lucky we no longer do 👋
 
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