An Evening With Kenny Burns...

Rich

Rice IV
Last night I went to the Approach for another one of their excellent 'An evening with...' presentations.

Having been to a few of these before, I'm familiar with the format, and knew what to expect. However, this one was different for me, for one glaring reason: I'm 26 years old.

Previous 'Evenings with...' have seen me listen to the stories of players such as Stan Collymore (excellent and honest) and Nigel Jemson (interesting) and Mark Crossle (If he ever does another one, rearrange everything and ensure you're there. Hilarious doesn't even come close). Last week I was at the Evening with Billy Davies, which was also brilliant, if a little removed from the regular stories of days past sort of vibe.

Anyway, Kenny, accompanied for the second part by John's Robertson and McGovern, played in a Nottingham Forest team from before I was born. I'd never seen any of them play, but I had, of course, heard the stories.

With this in mind I wasn't overly bothered about going. It wasn't high up on my agenda, but I thought I'd give it a go, and I'm glad I did.

The evening was a bargain for the casual attendee. £10 got you a ticket, and a copy of Kenny's new book [amazon]No Ifs or Butts[/amazon]. Along with this, Kenny was happy to sign anything put in front of him, as were the two John's. This led to most people leaving with a signed copy of the book.

Obviously the three guys achieved quite a lot at Forest, nothing more notable than the European Cup, which adorned the table at the front of the pub, and caught the attention of every single Forest fan entering the venue. For £10 you could have a photo taken with it, surroudned by the three guests, ave it printed and get it signed. A bargain, and something I decided to do.

Anyway, enough about the extras.

The format at the Approach is quite simple. First half is essentially an interview conducted by Darren Fletcher, with the guest star being led into telling some stories. The second half is where people are invited to write some questions down and submit them for Darren Fletcher to ask. Last week Bilyl Davies was magnificent in the first half, and seemed less open in the second half. This week was a complete about turn. Kenny told some great stories in the first half, but the audience questions where were this evening really came into it's own.

Most of Kenny's stories are in his book. He told a few, almost word for word, that I'd read in the minutes between getting to the venue and the evening starting. That's not a criticism, I'm told Kenny does a few of these evenings with, and it did seem to be a relatively well oiled machine. He knew the right things to say, and the right stories to tell.

An evening punctuated with brillian Cloughisms, and stories about the effect Clough had had on Burns' career. Stories about Burns drinking a few Vodka and Limes and trying to take on 40 Man Utd fans, or drinking a few too many lager and limes and emptynig his stomach onto Barbara Clough.

Kenny was a hard man. He made no bones about this, he liked to put a tackle in, and people liked hearing about it.

The evening really did show how things have changed in football. He talked of lack of training, drinking, gambling, and playing 79 games in one season. The overwhelming opinion in the room was that Kenny played in a better day for football. Perhaps it's my age, but I don't agree. I don't want to take anything away from Kenny, but I think the game is harder today. Perhaps that's just me and my age, though.

There's not really anything I can tell you that he said in the evening that isn't in his book. There's even a picture of 'Robbie Savage' on page 42. It was an enjoyable night, and we should remember these players contributed to the greatest achievement this club has ever seen, and quite possibly the greatest achievement of any English club.

If you get the chance, go see him. It's a fun night if you support Forest, and Kenny seems like a very likeable guy, if a little negative about a few things. As John Robertson said last night, "Burnsy is the only guy who thought Pele was only no'bad!"

"He didn't track back enough" was Kenny's reasoning, and you know what, I don't fancy arguing with him!
 

smithy

Geoff Thomas
Great review Crouchy, Kenny is coming to my local next wednesday, tickets are £10 which include food, so again not bad, I am deffo going to sort some tickets out now and look forward to seeing him.
 

Rich

Rice IV
A tenner including food is a bargain.

Im hoping the Approach are increasing their Evenings with, as they are always excellent.

I think the next one theyr'e doing is an Evening with Car Froch in a fortnight.
 
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winnits

Guest
It was good fun :)

Kenny's a dude, seen him do a few after-dinner/evening with style things now.

I think a lot of the questioning was a bit rubbish, although being bookended by questions from me and my bro helped :D I'm glad I went with "Why is there a picture of Robbie Savage on page 42" rather than "Why is there a picture of Jade Goody on page 42" as was originally planned lol

Thought Darren Fletcher was good as well, not a fan of his at all but he started throwing in a few stories of his own too - at first I was a bit pissed off that he was taking the limelight away from the honoured guests too much, but in fairness, his tales were quite funny :)

Looking forward to getting stuck into Kenny's book. "Life has shit on me many times, I mean, I've lived in Derby". What a guy!
 

The Authority

First Team Squad
Winnits said:
Thought Darren Fletcher was good as well, not a fan of his at all but he started throwing in a few stories of his own too - at first I was a bit p**sed off that he was taking the limelight away from the honoured guests too much, but in fairness, his tales were quite funny :)

I thought that! At first I thought it might turn into An Audience With Darren Fletcher, but he did offer some entertaining anecdotes.
Great evening - very entertaining. I just wish I could remember all the funny stories!
Robbo's obviously still the main draw - the queues for his signature just never died down.

PS: Nice write-up, Rich.
 

sedgred

Banned
I loved Kenny Burns at Forest.

I feel that just by watching him improved my own game so much. I even insisted on having the number 6 shirt where ever I played. People always rate Kenny as a hard man, which indeed very few come much harder, yet his ability to read the game and pass the ball out of defence, cool under pressure were an outstanding feature of his game, don't forget he also reproduced this on the world stage with his beloved Scotland.

He was an absolute giant, welded to Forest's cause, twas a sad day when he was injured away at Everton, because he never seemed to recover 100%.
 
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yam

Guest
Kenny was an awesome centre half, when Forest pushed forward he would stand on the half way line and he looked invincible. You just knew nothing would get past him!

Good write up Rich. I think you're right, it is an age thing people my age were probably lamenting the 50's when we were winning everything in the 70's and 80's. If I was given the choice I think I'd know which era to be a Forest fan in though :wink:
 

earthworm

Jack Burkitt
Rich. said:
I think the next one theyr'e doing is an Evening with Car Froch in a fortnight.

I quite fancy going to that, I bet he's got a few stories. I'd like to ask more about why the f***ing TV companies don't show his fights too!
 
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winnits

Guest
Froch has done an Evening With at the Approach before which I went to, he was very good indeed.

I think it might've been before his World Championship.

Imagine there'll be photo with Carl and belt type opportunities.

He's a good bloke :)
 

RedMark

Viv Anderson
smithy said:
Great review Crouchy, Kenny is coming to my local next wednesday, tickets are £10 which include food, so again not bad, I am deffo going to sort some tickets out now and look forward to seeing him.

Is your local Inn the Bank in Netherfield ?
 
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winnits

Guest
RedMark said:
Is your local Inn the Bank in Netherfield ?

No, not for Smithy.. not too far from me though, is Kenny appearing there?!
 

The Authority

First Team Squad
Was interesting to hear Robbo say he knew on his first day at D*rby that he'd made the wrong decision to leave Forest. He seemed genuinely regretful too. Similarly, Kenny said it was one of the worst career decisions he made, when he chose to leave. It's a shame that team was broken up so soon after the successes.
Also, I didn't realise that five of the European Cup winners were already playing in Forest's reserves when Cloughie arrived.
 

RedMark

Viv Anderson
Winnits said:
No, not for Smithy.. not too far from me though, is Kenny appearing there?!

I'm sure I've seen posters in there for him before the end of the month.

I play for the team there so I'm only ever in there after our matches on Sunday, I don't tend to read posters just a quick glance.
 

Johnny Bravo

Jack Armstrong
Of the evening with night's I always find I enjoy the ones with the likes of the players that were around before I was born or before I was old enough to go to matches. The stories seem to come alive more when you haven't experienced themself and aren't cross referencing it with your own memories.

Kenny Burns is fantastic at these things, I have never seen an audience with him as such but when I went to an evening with Carl Froch at The Empire in Hucknall he hosted it and was brilliant. He didn't try to steal the show with Forest stories or anything of the like but he had a natural charisma is suited a working mens club type enviroment.

His book is brilliant too, my dad managed to get me a copy of it through a friend of a friend type situation knowing the person who printed it a few weeks before it's release and I've been waiting to see if others enjoyed it as much as I did. I'd say it's posibbly my favourite book by an ex-Forest player.
 
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winnits

Guest
I'm looking forward to reading it during time off over Christmas :)
 
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nffc59

Guest
Hi.
Kenny is doing a FREE night at the Test Match, West Bridgford (free for us punters anyway)this Sunday.
Speaking to Alan (landlord) he tells me he is there from 6-8pm apparantly he is signing copies of his book and doing his after dinner speech. Apparantly he has had about 7 or 8 `a night with` in the last year

He had Duncan McKenzie there last week, missed him but apparantly he was good.
Im going Sunday if anyone is down there.

Have to be honest, its my fave new pub with it running travel from the pub as well.
 
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