A question - what do we believe?

[goatboy]

Do we believe that Nigel Doughty and Mark Arthur want the club to succeed and are working their hardest to make that happen... or not?

Because I'm unsure reading a lot of stuff recently whether people actually think these guys are some kind of sinister malevolent forces gleefully undermining the best efforts of players and managers and fans.

If the answer to my question is yes, their best efforts are clearly not going brilliantly, so what constructive criticism would you like to bring to the table?

I imagine the vast majority of people on here would be polite and curteous to Arthur or Doughty, if either had invited them round to dinner. Second question, then - over strawberry sorbet dessert in little tree shapes, Doughty/Arthur leans over to you and says, quietly

"So, you're a fan... what am I getting right, what am I getting wrong, and what should I be doing to change that?"

In your very best English (because you'd be using it if this was real life), what would you say?

 

[goatboy]

Oh, come on now, he's.... ok, no, that's fair enough.

Slightly terse, but maybe you've both been on the gin already. Maybe a hard arguing line will eventually result in an impromptu man-wretle.

 

[RICH1977]

not to mention when pual hart had done all the work to get huckerbys psignature and a fee had been agreed did the deal get binned while hart was away on holiday although he had been told it would be wraped up while he was away

 

[RutlandRed]

not to mention when pual hart had done all the work to get huckerbys psignature and a fee had been agreed did the deal get binned while hart was away on holiday although he had been told it would be wraped up while he was away

Rich had you read my post 'all bad managers? prior to posting this comment by any chance? :-*

 

[Midland Red]

"So, you're a fan... what am I getting right, what am I getting wrong, and what should I be doing to change that?"

In your very best English (because you'd be using it if this was real life), what would you say?

Well, you've help sort out the finances, and balance some books which were left pretty crooked when you arrived. Thanks quite genuinely for that. Administration could have killed Forest.

The problem as I see it is that while you have some really great intentions I'm not sure that some of those beneath you at Forest are the best people for the job to carry those intentions forward. You've picked some managers who have had all the right credentials on paper, but when it comes to bringing players in to improve the squad so many seem to slip through Forest's fingers. Why is it that when Managers submit transfer targets your transfer committee seem to struggle so much in closing deals which even the smallest clubs in the division seem to be able to do without complication? Why is it that when deadline day looms so many negotiations go wrong? That really needs sorting out.

 

[Tutts]

Ok after sobering up slightly. Mr Doughty, could you explain the reasons, during David Platt's second season as manager, when we had Robbie Blake on loan, who was performing great for the team, you decided not to provide the £200,000 for his signature. Then 2 weeks later paid Ipswich £3m for David Johnson. It's something that has troubled me for years.

I can answer this one as it troubled me and my friend Paul, who I went to games that season with as I was living close enough to have a season tickets.

We signed David Johnson and the very next game all of the tellys hanging in the back areas od the Trent End stand by the bars had gone.

The brackets were there but the televisions were not.

Therefore we can assume that the Sky TV subscription together with the Forest Radio Rentals subscription was costing around £3 Million pounds,

This was cancelled and Johnson was bought.

So there we go - oversubscribing and getting locked into a fixed term television rental agreement cost us the chance to sign Robbie Blake.

 

[Monk De Wally De Honk]

I don't believe it there are sinister motives, you could argue that it is incompetance, both on the part od Marthur and Doughty
However, ask yourself a question, do you think ND would suffer season after season of incompetance and f*** ups from MA??
I don't think so, not for a second

Therefore MA is running the club exactly as ND wishes, we signed noone in the window because ND didn't want to sign anyone. If he
had wanted to, we would have done.

 

[nemesiz]

not to mention when pual hart had done all the work to get huckerbys psignature and a fee had been agreed did the deal get binned while hart was away on holiday although he had been told it would be wraped up while he was away[/quote]

As Manchester City changed their mind and asked for a transfer fee, and the player demanded a similar wage structure to which he was earning at the Premiership club. Nottingham Forest at the time was struggling financially, and couldn't afford either. So when Norwich City later that year signed the player, the club had the same difficulty agreeing terms as he reputedly asked for £15,000 a week salary. It was only after Delia Smith, a major shareholder, intervened and agreed to help finance the deal did the deal go through. All this information is in the public domain.

 

[Cooky]

I don't believe it there are sinister motives, you could argue that it is incompetance, both on the part od Marthur and Doughty
However, ask yourself a question, do you think ND would suffer season after season of incompetance and f**k ups from MA??
I don't think so, not for a second

Therefore MA is running the club exactly as ND wishes, we signed noone in the window because ND didn't want to sign anyone. If he
had wanted to, we would have done.

Not EXACTLY. Granted, Mark Arthur has done a good job with the club in many other areas, most notably it's community presence etc. However, another part of his job is on this transfer acquisition panel, and that aspect of his portfolio has failed considerably year on year. Except for a few signings such as Earnie and Ando, many are few and far between, and some huge, costly errors have been made by this man. I know we hate to admit it, but not offering Commons a new contract could be one of the biggest mistakes made in recent years. Note I said could be, before people argue the toss about whether CC would have gotten the best out of him at this level. For what it's worth, had the club not f**ked him over, I personally believe we would actually be safely upper-mid table by now.

But, back to the original point, Mark Arthur has consistently failed in one aspect of his job and this appears to have been overlooked by his employer, who it might be worth noting, is absent more often that not. MA has others working for him who are also culpable and therefore the blame cannot rest solely with him, but as the most senior of the board except ND, it is quite frankly disgusting what inadequacy he is allowed to get away with.

 

[mouldy]

I think Doughty has the clubs best interests at heart. His financial backing and investment shows that.

I think that the transfer failings have really put a big question mark over that and I think the best they can do is make a good effort to bring good players in they did say that relegation was unthinkable and the fact that they haven't brought anyone in is very concerning.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

I know we hate to admit it, but not offering Commons a new contract could be one of the biggest mistakes made in recent years.

do we know the club didn't offer commons a new deal?

 

[Jonathan]

There's no doubt that Commons' worst time at Forest was around this time and a bit before during his last season with us.

That correlates with when his girlfriend miscarried, and yet, our fans still got on his back.

I didn't treat him with the same disdain as others when he left, but that changed when he celebrated in the way he did after scoring against us in the cup.

He said that he only did it because one fan threw a coin at him.

Fair enough, you might say, but that's one fan. Of course people are going to boo him, but one fan throwing a coin like a f***ing idiot does not equal the rest of us.

The club didn't offer Commons a contract, but that is because it was all pending on us going up.

By that point, though, he had already decided he needed to make a fresh start, for reasons I've already stated. Read my previous post as to why he went to Derby.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

from what i understood, all the personal stuff aside, in jan the club said "heres a deal" he said "i want more" club said "wait and see if we go up" he said "i'd rather be molesting some sheep as they've offered me a fair bit more", also, commons, when he was here was not worth the money he's getting from derby

 

[Rich]

That correlates with when his girlfriend miscarried, and yet, our fans still got on his back.

There were some things being sung in the A Block about that, only by a very small group of people, mind.

Made me ashamed to support the same team as them.

 

[Jonathan]

There were some things being sung in the A Block about that, only by a very small group of people, mind.

Made me ashamed to support the same team as them.

I have quite strong feelings about things like this.

Both my Mum and my big sister have miscarried in the past, and I know how hard it can be to deal with. My sister, like Commons' girlfriend had to give birth to a stillborn because she miscarried very late on.

I have no problem with people booing Commons and calling him a Judas etc, but when it comes to something like this, you have to draw the line.

It is, in some ways, similar to calling Dave Jones a **********.

 

[secko]

There's no doubt that Commons' worst time at Forest was around this time and a bit before during his last season with us.

That correlates with when his girlfriend miscarried, and yet, our fans still got on his back.

I didn't treat him with the same disdain as others when he left, but that changed when he celebrated in the way he did after scoring against us in the cup.

He said that he only did it because one fan threw a coin at him.

Fair enough, you might say, but that's one fan. Of course people are going to boo him, but one fan throwing a coin like a f**king idiot does not equal the rest of us.

The club didn't offer Commons a contract, but that is because it was all pending on us going up.

By that point, though, he had already decided he needed to make a fresh start, for reasons I've already stated. Read my previous post as to why he went to Derby.

What were the exact reasons for Commons joinig our biggest rivals?

 

[Rich]

Nobody else wanted the fat ****!

 

[Jonathan]

Oh, sorry. Thought I'd posted it in this thread, but it must have been in another!

He said something along the lines of: The months around when my girlfriend miscarried were the hardest of my life. I went from being so happy one week, to burying my daughter the next.

It was becoming increasingly obvious that Forest weren't interested in starting contract negotiations yet, and I wanted to know what my future had in store and so I decided that I needed to make a fresh start.

However, I didn't want to move far from my family and neither did my girlfriend after what had happened and Derby made me an offer which meant I didn't have to go anywhere.

Obviously, I've paraphrased and not used exactly what he said because I don't have a photographic memory, but it was along those lines - ask Rich, he knows too.

He went to Derby because he didn't want to move from the area and I'd imagine that they were about the only local club to offer him a deal.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

i ain't buyin it he could have gone to notts or mansfield!

 

[dellaroc]

It is, in some ways, similar to calling Dave Jones a **********.

I think the difference is that "You're Not Fit To Babysit" is quite a funny chant, whilst the other is indefensible.

I hate Kris Commons as much as the next man, but some things are bigger than football.

 

[Rich]

Absolutely right.

I must stress, it was only about 6 teenage chavs chanting 'where's your baby gone?' when he took a corner.

Most of the people around the A block who heard looked at them in disgust.

 

[Jonathan]

I think the difference is that "You're Not Fit To Babysit" is quite a funny chant, whilst the other is indefensible.

I hate Kris Commons as much as the next man, but some things are bigger than football.

Agreed. I was just trying to find something else people may be able to understand as a personal matter.

But yeah, there's no way you can defend or begin to understand why people would sing that.

 

[secko]

Oh, sorry. Thought I'd posted it in this thread, but it must have been in another!

He said something along the lines of: The months around when my girlfriend miscarried were the hardest of my life. I went from being so happy one week, to burying my daughter the next.

It was becoming increasingly obvious that Forest weren't interested in starting contract negotiations yet, and I wanted to know what my future had in store and so I decided that I needed to make a fresh start.

However, I didn't want to move far from my family and neither did my girlfriend after what had happened and Derby made me an offer which meant I didn't have to go anywhere.

Obviously, I've paraphrased and not used exactly what he said because I don't have a photographic memory, but it was along those lines - ask Rich, he knows too.

He went to Derby because he didn't want to move from the area and I'd imagine that they were about the only local club to offer him a deal.

I am sorry but that don t add up Forest wanted to start contract negotiations in the last season of his one year contract,so he could of tied his future up long before he did,he talks shit,although i ve got a lot of sympathy for what happened to him and is his family he went to Derby for one reason MONEY and him saying otherwise is insulting my intelligence good bloody riddance