A few home truths tonight

[jamesjon01]

I thought Billy sounded really annoyed tonight. Sounds like half our team would not even be playing if he had his way. Was some of the things he said a dig at the board??????? I do hope so we need to get players in soon. But as Billy said we have tried already. Or is it the board will not pay what is needed to get these players in

 

[trent-ender]

Not impressed with billy tonight... and i think he should shoulder some of the blame and stop trying to blame it on a youthful team. He knows what he's got to work with and he should get on with it. This ridiculous formation he's trying has got to go. His interview was a poor example of pointing fingers everywhere without anything preductive whatsoever.

 

[trickytrees12]

as I said in another thread, Whilst I do agree with his comments tonight I worry if the players have listened to it.

He basically said we're shit now but we're going to try and get the shit players to keep us up before we bring in better players next year. - that will give the squad a confidence boost!

WHY are we the only club in the league that CANNOT buy in January ... are you telling me there is NO better striker than Sinclair that we can get on loan and NO better left back than Lynch (like Mr Bean for example) that we could have signed.

I am starting to fear relegation again, I have not felt this negative since Doncaster ... but then again that's typical Forest, getting your hopes up and then comes the big fall.

Sort it out Forest!

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

Whereas it may of seemed like a slag off, I see it of more as a challenge. The squad should now know they have until the end of the season to prove their worth, otherwise they will be out. I get the picture he wants a disciplined squad, but the players are used to a relaxed atmosphere under CC!

 

[RICH1977]

I think for once Billy davies might just let us all know what is really going off behind closed doors, I truely do hope that the board start to back him and he keeps us up as I am really warming to him being our manager I like the way he talks and gets things done.

I do sense hes getting frustrated with the board though and I have this horrible nagging feeeling that he could just walk out on us and leave is in the shit.

Im not sure what tonights little rant will do for the confidence of the young lads though but maybe its time they where kicked up the arse, lack of competition for places isnt exactly helping us atm either.

 

[jamesjon01]

Ok blame him but would we be blaming him if he was being backed in the transfer market?????? When he first arrived both him and the board said money was available. But the the board will not go the extra bit to get players Billy has identified. Yes Billy has to live with what he has got but was he told that picture when he was first appointed???????? I dont think so

 

[RedDogChris]

As I just said in the last thread,right man at the wrong time perhaps.I'm happy enough to have him here,but he's dealing with very different types of players to ones he dealt with at Preston and D*rby.There was a lot of experience at both clubs,I bet he's wandering what he let himself into.

 

[trent-ender]

If you constantly tell people they're not ready to be playing this level of football then they'll start to believe it. Its the complete opposite of a confidence boost.
And what purpose does it serve other than making excuses for himself.
The idea for this formation was supposed to be cos moloney and heath werent capable of playing full back, their natural position, at this level yet so they need protection. but today cohen was asked to play this silly wing back role. Instead of making us look more solid its having the exact opposite effect. I really hope he ditches it and goes for a straight 4-4-2, which we certainly have the personnel to fill.
I was fully in favour of his appointment and still have every confidence in him, but i really am not liking the way he's gone about his job in the last three or four games.

And yes it was very disappointing not getting the players we needed in the transfer market, but we've played over the odds for players before and it gets you nowhere. If a club doesnt want to sell a player, they dont want to sell. We're not man city capable of throwing money around as though it doesnt matter. The stick doughty gets from forest fans is a disgrace, it really is.

 

[the mask of zorro]

I was going to start a new topic until I read this, so I shall just add on to this one.

Billy Davies is 9 matches into his tenure as Forest manager, we had the 'honeymoon period' and were on a run for his first couple of games, the draw with the sheep (he wasn't there) and a good win against Wednesday, but what since?
A poor performance against Cardiff, the capitulation against the sheep, another poor show against QPR (although we would have lost that under CC), and now two more awful performances this week.
We are hearing the excuses, although anyone with an ounce of sense can see that he is setting things up in case of relegation, and as I've said previously, he is having digs at the board.

You were bought here to do a job Billy Davies, and you are not doing it! Things are no different than under the previous manager, rubbish performances and strange formations. To me there is nothing worse than hearing a new manager (of any team) going on about proper pre season's and the team not being his. They are excuses, and in any job I've worked in, excuses are not tolerated. And to start rubbishing the players is not the way to get them performing. HE IS NOT BRIAN CLOUGH!

I have to admit, that I can't get used to seeing him as manager of Forest, but I don't think I will have to.

As I've said before, this guy is not here for the long term!

 

[Tnewton_1988]

When Billy was in talks with the club,The topic of how much money their is for Transfers,The budget etc etc must of come up.If he was told their isn't pot to piss in i don't think he would be saying this etc etc.

 

[the mask of zorro]

When Billy was in talks with the club,The topic of how much money their is for Transfers,The budget etc etc must of come up.If he was told their isn't pot to p**s in i don't think he would be saying this etc etc.

And I don't believe for one minute that he was promised things that aren't being delivered, if that was the case, he would walk. He is now finding out what managing without a chequebook is all about.

 

[Tnewton_1988]

And I don't believe for one minute that he was promised things that aren't being delivered, if that was the case, he would walk. He is now finding out what managing without a chequebook is all about.

Well you research every corner of the club to see what resources you have to your disposal.I'm convinced BD would of questioned this to the board.

 

[Gary]

Ok, which injured player is out for the longest currently? I'm sure thats Anderson and how long has he left? Like a fortnight?

Not to mention Earnie and das moose coming back within the next week or so. Judging by the current league table, there must be what, 10 points in the bottom 7/8? (Don't quote me on that, I cant be arsed checking!!)

C'mon, we still have time to pull this diving plane up again. We were doing fantastic at the beginning of this year, we could replicate that starting in a couple of weeks.

I'm not going to be the first to admit how worried I am right now. But I'm doing my best to see the bright side.

 

[nunuschmu]

The worst home truth?
we have at least the rest of the season before anything substantial will happen at the club. Players/managers in/out/ shake it all about.

I honestly can't remember when I felt like the light at the end of the tunnel was further away, even in the low days of mugson and BFJ, by the time it got unbearable they'd been in post long enough for the board to consider replacing them.

Now, I dunno, maybe Windsor Davies will come good but we're not looking or sounding good...

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Ok, which injured player is out for the longest currently? I'm sure thats Anderson and how long has he left? Like a fortnight?

Not to mention Earnie and das moose coming back within the next week or so. Judging by the current league table, there must be what, 10 points in the bottom 7/8? (Don't quote me on that, I cant be arsed checking!!)

C'mon, we still have time to pull this diving plane up again. We were doing fantastic at the beginning of this year, we could replicate that starting in a couple of weeks.

I'm not going to be the first to admit how worried I am right now. But I'm doing my best to see the bright side.

Bennett is out for around 7 months according to reports. I'd say that he hasn't been replaced adequately enough too. That is my majr concern with our transfer panel.

 

[Strummer]

You could almost take a look at it and say that if the Board were going to get rid of Calderwood, they should have done so after the Norwich defeat; that would have given Billy Davies much more time to assess the squad and possibly to get new players in.

Still hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Billy says we've been "knocked back for a number of players" and that efforts to bring in new players "will continue".

This really means two things; first, he has realised (quicker than the previous manager) that the squad we've got is neither big enough or good enough) and second, that we are *really* in trouble if the players we currently do have don't improve.

I'm still doubtful if we will see any loan signings, and even if we do, the expectation and pressure on them will be immense. One thing is for sure, Billy sounded more negative tonight than I've heard him; publicly critical of players (Joe Garner in particular) may - or may not - motivate them. Of course, the lack of numbers gives almost no pressure on some players as they know they will be playing week-in and week-out, with no competition.

This does not look good, but there's still 39 points to play for, an no team has ever been relegated in February - you've only got to look at Doncaster's form since Boxing Day; they needed (and got!) one good result to kick them off, perhaps we need that one good result in the league, and here's hoping we'll get it n Saturday!

 

[Gary]

You could almost take a look at it and say that if the Board were going to get rid of Calderwood, they should have done so after the Norwich defeat; that would have given Billy Davies much more time to assess the squad and possibly to get new players in.

Still hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Billy says we've been "knocked back for a number of players" and that efforts to bring in new players "will continue".

This really means two things; first, he has realised (quicker than the previous manager) that the squad we've got is neither big enough or good enough) and second, that we are *really* in trouble if the players we currently do have don't improve.

I'm still doubtful if we will see any loan signings, and even if we do, the expectation and pressure on them will be immense. One thing is for sure, Billy sounded more negative tonight than I've heard him; publicly critical of players (Joe Garner in particular) may - or may not - motivate them. Of course, the lack of numbers gives almost no pressure on some players as they know they will be playing week-in and week-out, with no competition.

This does not look good, but there's still 39 points to play for, an no team has ever been relegated in February - you've only got to look at Doncaster's form since Boxing Day; they needed (and got!) one good result to kick them off, perhaps we need that one good result in the league, and here's hoping we'll get it n Saturday!

Agreed mate and I'm glad theres another face in the optimism camp (camp?? START A THREAD!!).

With a full squad, Billy took us nearly to the top of the current form table.

Our last win was Sheff Wed - "Smith, Chambers, Wilson, Breckin, Heath, McCleary (Moloney 90), Perch, McGugan, Davies (Thornhill 67), Tyson, Earnshaw (Garner 55)"

and that was without Anderson.

My point is that we just don't have the squad which gave us that boost.

Earnshawhehawhehaw gets back - we have the guy whose scored in 5/6 of the last games he's played.
Anderson gets back - we have undoubtedly one of the best wingers of the team back on the pitch.

That with the added bonus of Moussi, means we have our Billy Davies winning XI ready to keep us up.

It's not like these guys are injured for the rest of the season! So we lost some points, bah phooey - look at Charlton and Southampton. They don't have the above 3 players, they have a full team of s**tters.

 

[the mask of zorro]

It's not like these guys are injured for the rest of the season! So we lost some points, bah phooey - look at Charlton and Southampton. They don't have the above 3 players, they have a full team of s**tters.

Yeah, but unfortunately there are THREE relegation places.

 

[JWJW]

I like Billy Davis - now you are seeing an experienced manager at work.

As much as I liked CC and supported him, I was very clear on his downfall, he allowed the players to screw him.

I said that after Boxing Day, it was not CC who should have taken the blame, it was the players, 100%.

As you will see with BD, he is not like CC and talks positive all the time.

If a player or some players play shit, he will tell the media and make sure everyone knows.

There is no better motivator that knowing the whole world knows, and now the likes of Garner can either be a man and buck their performances up, or they can be a pussy, play bad, get moved into the reserves and be gone in the summer.

As a club, we need men, and we also need someone like BD in charge, to now clear out the shite.

 

[rated10]

as I said in another thread, Whilst I do agree with his comments tonight I worry if the players have listened to it.

He basically said we're s**t now but we're going to try and get the s**t players to keep us up before we bring in better players next year. - that will give the squad a confidence boost!

WHY are we the only club in the league that CANNOT buy in January ... are you telling me there is NO better striker than Sinclair that we can get on loan and NO better left back than Lynch (like Mr Bean for example) that we could have signed.

I am starting to fear relegation again, I have not felt this negative since Doncaster ... but then again that's typical Forest, getting your hopes up and then comes the big fall.

Sort it out Forest!

Tell me about it, great confidence booster for the big game sat.
I think people on hear are going a overboard on lynch though

 

[MarcusE]

I like Billy Davis - now you are seeing an experienced manager at work.

As much as I liked CC and supported him, I was very clear on his downfall, he allowed the players to screw him.

I said that after Boxing Day, it was not CC who should have taken the blame, it was the players, 100%.

As you will see with BD, he is not like CC and talks positive all the time.

If a player or some players play s**t, he will tell the media and make sure everyone knows.

There is no better motivator that knowing the whole world knows, and now the likes of Garner can either be a man and buck their performances up, or they can be a pussy, play bad, get moved into the reserves and be gone in the summer.

As a club, we need men, and we also need someone like BD in charge, to now clear out the s**te.

Amen

 

[cuppachump]

I like Billy Davis - now you are seeing an experienced manager at work.

As much as I liked CC and supported him, I was very clear on his downfall, he allowed the players to screw him.

I said that after Boxing Day, it was not CC who should have taken the blame, it was the players, 100%.

As you will see with BD, he is not like CC and talks positive all the time.

If a player or some players play s**t, he will tell the media and make sure everyone knows.

There is no better motivator that knowing the whole world knows, and now the likes of Garner can either be a man and buck their performances up, or they can be a pussy, play bad, get moved into the reserves and be gone in the summer.

As a club, we need men, and we also need someone like BD in charge, to now clear out the s**te.

I seem to have heard this all before - when mugson was appointed
the board got in a man to shake things up and cause friction in the dressing room, we saw the results !!!

BD has had his honeymoon and we are slipping dangerously close to the abyss again we hear the same refrain of financial prudence and budgets to keep to and you would think that the last thing the board wants would be another slip into the 3 rd division but...

i postulated (idly ) a few weeks ago that perhaps ND actually benefits from us losing money (as a tax write off) and what better way to do so than engineer another trip back down to level 3 - well look at the situation we are now facing:

1) we have a team of young players so sparse in numbers we can hardly pull a team together some weekends
2) we have appointed a manager who has a reputation of falling out with the board and turning the fans against him when things dont go his way (happened at both his last two clubs)
3)the board seem to have promised him cash for players then pulled the rug
4) Billy's head seems to be swelling up and if you look carefully you can see the steam coming out of his ears

I just hope this is not some giant machiavellian plan to engineer a relegation, force BD into walking (or the fans into calling for his blood) and using ND's club (he owns it after all not us) as a giant loss making, tax saving, dinosaur...

 

[Anatoli]

Megson got rid of Ian Storey Moore who is now the successful Head Scout at Aston Villa.

I'm sure there is a point to this somewhere.

 

[Carvel]

I felt sorry for Sinclair. BD said - It was blantantly obvious to everyone that hes a million miles away from this level.

There was no need to say that. We all know hes not good enough (atm?) for this level, but theres no need to say it publicly. If I was Emile I wouldnt want to play for him now. Fair enough having a go at Joe. Hes a £1m player who should be doing better. But Emile has been at the Stags doing OK at best. Im sure he knows himself hes not good enough for this level at this moment. I was a fan of BD at first but hes quickly turning me agaisnt him. Theres a constant sub text to some of the things he keeps saying. Either just come out and say whatever it is, or just shut up saying the same shit all the time.

 

[Anatoli]

Erm we were away. You can tell. The City Ground was closed.