Perfect, Villa do look like the team to bring youngsters through at the moment though..He's an all action central midfielder, way ahead of his age group and obviously highly rated. Cooper had him training with the first team
Perfect, Villa do look like the team to bring youngsters through at the moment though..He's an all action central midfielder, way ahead of his age group and obviously highly rated. Cooper had him training with the first team
Incredible record that is.Something to be proud of, even though it may end soon - https://theathletic.com/5287841/2024/04/04/nottingham-forest-academy-youth-homegrown-record/
4058 First Team Fixtures, stretching back to WW2, since we last failed to pick a youth product/first club pro in the squad.
Doubt either of them would make our PL squad/team anyway.Another one of our youngsters jumped ship, first Hemmings to Villa and now Blake to Derby the current state of our academy is a shambles. Yet another example of something that has been neglected and disregarded under this ownership and will come to cost us heavily
Doubt either of them would make our PL squad/team anyway.
Joe Gardner only got close because of the AFCON situation
I don't think anyone is expecting 16 yr olds to be anywhere near the PL, well not at 16 anyway. But maybe at 19/20/21 you'd be expecting them to have progressed enough.I don't think 16 year old's were ever expected to make our PL squad. However, it looks as though we've lost our biggest talent from this years scholarship intake to Derby, after losing our best talent (Hemmings) last year to Villa.
You could somewhat understand losing a player to Villa as they throw a lot of money at their academy (they've pillaged WBA for example) but to lose one to Derby, who've made cutbacks since they went into admin, is a blow.
I don't think anyone is expecting 16 yr olds to be anywhere near the PL, well not at 16 anyway. But maybe at 19/20/21 you'd be expecting them to have progressed enough.
Sorry to be blunt, but it will take years, serious planning, excellent scouting, a lot of money, and plenty of luck for your academy to be producing anything other than EFL football, which is basically what it has been doing, extremely successfully, so far. Do not kid yourselves: the reason so many of your academy graduates went on to the first team, progressed, and managed to play (and still play) in the Premier is precisely the fact that you were an EFL club who could afford (and often had to) use talented youngsters. It is extremely more difficult for the academy to produce 20-year-olds who are ready to play for a Premier club fighting for relegation. Your amazing record of continuously listing academy graduates for decades will, eventually, end soon. If you become an established Premier club and really invest in the academy, in a few years, you may be able to produce players for the first team again.So we're basically developing first team players for EFL clubs at the moment...
Representing the England age group sides doesn't mean an awful lot anyway.Well Hemmings has just turned 17 & Blake is 15/16. So still a few years away from deciding whether or not they'd get in our 'PL squad/team'.
We probably don't have many that have PL potential currently, we'll have even fewer if we continue to lose the ones that are representing England prior to signing a pro deal.
The England Squad from that tournament.Representing the England age group sides doesn't mean an awful lot anyway.
Look at the side which Cooper famously managed to a title, Ok so there are some established PL players in there like Foden, MGW, CHO but where are the rest?
Yes, precisely. So 8 of them are PL players and a couple in other European top flights, out of 22 who were at the time considered the best English players in their age group.The England Squad from that tournament.
[1] Curtis Anderson - Man City, now Kendal Town. (GK)
[2] Tim Eyoma - Spurs, now Lincoln City.
[3] Lewis Gibson - Newcastle, now Plymouth
[4] George McEachern - Chelsea, now Swindon
[5] Marc Guehi - Chelsea, now Crystal Palace *
[6] Jonathan Panzo - Chelsea, now Liege on loan from Forest
[7] Philip Foden - Man City *
[8] Tashan Oakley-Boothe - Spurs, now CF Estrela
[9] Rhian Brewster - Liverpool, now Sheff Utd *
[10] Angel Gomes - Man United, now Lille
[11] Jaden Sancho - Man City, now Dortmund on loan from Man Utd *
[12] Nya Kirby - Spurs, now Oxford City.
[13] Joe Bursik - Stoke, now Club Brugge (GK)
[14] Callum Hudson-Odoi - Chelsea, now Forest *
[15] Joel Latibeaudiere - Man City, now Coventry
[16] Daniel Loader - Reading, now FC Porto
[17] Emile Smith-Rowe - Arsenal *
[18] Steven Sessegnon - Fulham, now Wigan
[19] Morgan Gibbs-White - Wolves, now Forest *
[20] Conor Gallagher - Chelsea *
[21] William Crellin - Fleetwood, now Everton (GK)
Out of those 21 players, 8 have played PL football this season, and another couple are playing at a decent level in European top flights.
Sorry to be blunt, but it will take years, serious planning, excellent scouting, a lot of money, and plenty of luck for your academy to be producing anything other than EFL football, which is basically what it has been doing, extremely successfully, so far. Do not kid yourselves: the reason so many of your academy graduates went on to the first team, progressed, and managed to play (and still play) in the Premier is precisely the fact that you were an EFL club who could afford (and often had to) use talented youngsters. It is extremely more difficult for the academy to produce 20-year-olds who are ready to play for a Premier club fighting for relegation. Your amazing record of continuously listing academy graduates for decades will, eventually, end soon. If you become an established Premier club and really invest in the academy, in a few years, you may be able to produce players for the first team again.
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Believe it was down to ambulance cover. They couldn't get an ambulance to replace the one that took Ben to hospital.Not sure exactly what happened but last nights academy game against Reading was abandoned after an injury to Ben Perry - I’m assuming it would have to be something very serious for the game to be abandoned, so hope he’s ok.