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Financial Fair Play (FFP)

Rubics

Rubics

Bin VAR!
I’m not sure we can be angry with the club without knowing the details of the deal. e.g.say it was £10m a year, from the tourist clubs is sod all, but from us with the new 85% rules coming in could be massive and put us at an even bigger disadvantage. Why would we sign up to something that disadvantages us even further?
Something needs to be done - but not something that further cements the tourist clubs advantages and I’m sure they’ll be looking to build in further advantages for themselves in any deal.
I know folks are angry / frustrated / worried at the moment but jumping on the club / owner every 5 minutes doesn’t help anyone.
 
Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Rubics said:
I’m not sure we can be angry with the club without knowing the details of the deal. e.g.say it was £10m a year, from the tourist clubs is sod all, but from us with the new 85% rules coming in could be massive and put us at an even bigger disadvantage. Why would we sign up to something that disadvantages us even further?
Something needs to be done - but not something that further cements the tourist clubs advantages and I’m sure they’ll be looking to build in further advantages for themselves in any deal.
I know folks are angry / frustrated / worried at the moment but jumping on the club / owner every 5 minutes doesn’t help anyone.
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When have details ever been needed for folk to be ANGRY?
 
MansfieldRed

MansfieldRed

Grenville Morris
In a way they are right. People always say football is a business and in no other business do you pay money to rival businesses.

Secondly, stuff like this is only ever going to be handing out crumbs. When you split that money over five years to all 72 clubs it is not a whole lot, especially when compared to parachute payments.

The mistake was back in 92 when the Premier League was formed, letting its body split away from the rest of the football league and the marketing around it. It funnelled all the money into one league and having the finances of every club outside essentially tied to this one league and the current 20 members within that league who, naturally, also want to look out for themselves. The entire Premier League and EFL needs a radical overhaul, though in what direction I have no idea. It often feels like it's way too late. Like the entire flock has bolted and only now are they trying to close the gate.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Geoff Thomas
chaospunx said:
Typical Forest to vote for less money to trickle down then get relegated sometimes you just have to piss yourself laughing being a forest fan 🤣🤣
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Maybe, but my understanding is that Marinakis’s problem isn’t the money particularly, it’s being allowed to spend it.

I’m aware that these proposed additional subsidies would no doubt count as additional income towards FFP.
 
chaospunx

chaospunx

Geoff Thomas
Robertson said:
Maybe, but my understanding is that Marinakis’s problem isn’t the money particularly, it’s being allowed to spend it.

I’m aware that these proposed additional subsidies would no doubt count as additional income towards FFP.
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Yeah I know mate I don't understand how any of it works and not really sure I want to it just made me chuckle to myself im sure there are valid reasons behind it each way 👍
 
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SouthManchesterTree

Viv Anderson
Brian Fantana said:
I assume when we’re relegated this season or next and struggling financially in the Championship the club will be moaning about not enough money trickling down from the Premier League.

We feel like a bitter, nasty club - certainly aren’t winning any friends or admirers from our PL experience.
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To be fair it’s half the division voting against it, not just Forest. Until/unless we know the reasons I won’t get angry about it.
 
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Browser79

First Team Squad
Louth Red said:
My understanding is that it’s the usual argument about how the twenty clubs split the £900m bill (over six years) between the mega wealthy and the ‘little’ clubs.
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You would think it would be done by proportion of revenue, since that’s all the rage these days.
 
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BristolfaninPeace

Youth Team
andover red said:
They know which clubs are likely to breach next year and are introducing a new system that avoids having to penalise them. It's the most blatant example of rigging the table that you can imagine and I don't see how it can be done without potential for huge legal challenge.

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Chelsea and possibly even Man United are two obvious ones but certainly Chelsea but one who seem to have outrageous swings of fortune and yes legal challenge seems fair in this instance frankly..

..Aston Villa. In 2021-22 they has the Grealish profit, plus about £22-23m of P&S Allowables. +£22-23m their 3 Year rolling starting point.

However being rolling, this drops off to be replaced by a £120m LOSS pre tax last year! Despite and including finishing 7th and £22m of Transfer Profit, erm less £26-27m in FFP.

£115-117m swing into the red from an FFP angle year on year in effect.

Wonder if it has anything to do?? Remember too the only club in the land to benefit from HS2 (£3m 2017-18, £14.4m 2018-19.and £2.5-3m 2019-20), benefited from Goal Line Tech not working post Covid restart (stayed up by 1 point), on the verge of bankruptcy not just administration and brought out in 2018..sold stadium when loophole still open (shut again in 2021).
 
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BristolfaninPeace

Youth Team
That's not to say punishments should be waived IMO but more an argument that changing rolling 3 year Rules mid-stream doesnt sit well at all. Is it even fully lawful?

I'd say because of the ridiculous swing Aston Villa at bigger risk than Newcastle whose losses remained fairly consistent. Telling to 2024-25 not necessarily this year.

Still though Bournemouth remain an enduring mystery- how on earth are they forever compliant?? Not like they sell anyone of note, their Periods ending 2022 and 2023 Upper Loss Limit post Allowables of £72m, £83m this year not the £105m, Lower non T.V. revenue than most of the League probably.

Make their position make sense?
 
Indored

Indored

A. Trialist
Its weird, I know there will not be any actual data as in numbers etc on this thread or the punishment if any just yet, just our opinions, but for some reason I read this every day and can’t seem to get enough of it.
Must be the anticipation of whatever is coming or wanting to see how everyone else thinks ?
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
The more I think about it, whilst I am still very angry that we ever put ourselves in this situation, I think the fact that we have mitigating circumstances in that we worked to the spirit of the rules if not the letter, in that we actually broke them in order to be sustainable, gives us a chance of getting away with a much lesser punishment than may have happened. I wonder if we might get a suspended penalty and requirement to undertake more stringent checking of transfers.
 
Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Erik said:
The more I think about it, whilst I am still very angry that we ever put ourselves in this situation, I think the fact that we have mitigating circumstances in that we worked to the spirit of the rules if not the letter, in that we actually broke them in order to be sustainable, gives us a chance of getting away with a much lesser punishment than may have happened. I wonder if we might get a suspended penalty and requirement to undertake more stringent checking of transfers.
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I think they've said that they won't suspend sentences, though so much has been written with so little actually said by those who matter that I could be confused.

Fingers crossed we aren't hit too hard, and if we are let's hope we have the mettle to ride it out to safety.

It's going to be a tough few days nerves wise - let's hope our sister club Bournemouth help us out tonight.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
Erik said:
The more I think about it, whilst I am still very angry that we ever put ourselves in this situation, I think the fact that we have mitigating circumstances in that we worked to the spirit of the rules if not the letter, in that we actually broke them in order to be sustainable, gives us a chance of getting away with a much lesser punishment than may have happened
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That's the hope.

The best optimistic view would be to say that Everton broke the rules for 3 years and got 3 seasons of advatange.

We broke the rules for 3 months and had 1 season of advantage.

That's my prayer for Friday morning 🙏
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Gyros Peter said:
I think they've said that they won't suspend sentences, though so much has been written with so little actually said by those who matter that I could be confused.

Fingers crossed we aren't hit too hard, and if we are let's hope we have the mettle to ride it out to safety.

It's going to be a tough few days nerves wise - let's hope our sister club Bournemouth help us out tonight.
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I've not seen anything to say points can't be suspended GP. It's still a points deduction sanction, albeit suspended.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
BristolfaninPeace said:
That's not to say punishments should be waived IMO but more an argument that changing rolling 3 year Rules mid-stream doesnt sit well at all. Is it even fully lawful?

I'd say because of the ridiculous swing Aston Villa at bigger risk than Newcastle whose losses remained fairly consistent. Telling to 2024-25 not necessarily this year.

Still though Bournemouth remain an enduring mystery- how on earth are they forever compliant?? Not like they sell anyone of note, their Periods ending 2022 and 2023 Upper Loss Limit post Allowables of £72m, £83m this year not the £105m, Lower non T.V. revenue than most of the League probably.

Make their position make sense?
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🎵🎵The answer my friend is blowing in the wind...the answer is blowing in the wind 🎵🎵😆
 
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youreds1986

Geoff Thomas
Brian Fantana said:
I assume when we’re relegated this season or next and struggling financially in the Championship the club will be moaning about not enough money trickling down from the Premier League.

We feel like a bitter, nasty club - certainly aren’t winning any friends or admirers from our PL experience.
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It's embarrassing isn't it?

Plucky sleeping giants, battling from Champ relegation places to PL promotion. Old school.ground with incredible home support etc etc. We should have been fairytale stuff. We should be media darlings.

Instead we are facing points deductions, send Mark Clattenburg out to bitch and moan about every referee decision and are treated as a laughing stock that bought 8527 players, broke FFP and probably are going to get relegated.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Geoff Thomas
youreds1986 said:
It's embarrassing isn't it?

Plucky sleeping giants, battling from Champ relegation places to PL promotion. Old school.ground with incredible home support etc etc. We should have been fairytale stuff. We should be media darlings.

Instead we are facing points deductions, send Mark Clattenburg out to bitch and moan about every referee decision and are treated as a laughing stock that bought 8527 players, broke FFP and probably are going to get relegated.
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At the end of the day if we had won more games, or start winning more games, no-one in the media would give two shits about any of the stuff you listed.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
youreds1986 said:
It's embarrassing isn't it?

Plucky sleeping giants, battling from Champ relegation places to PL promotion. Old school.ground with incredible home support etc etc. We should have been fairytale stuff. We should be media darlings.

Instead we are facing points deductions, send Mark Clattenburg out to bitch and moan about every referee decision and are treated as a laughing stock that bought 8527 players, broke FFP and probably are going to get relegated.
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Add to that the possible departure from the WFCG to what will like as not be a soulless, half empty flat-pack stadium, plonked down in Nowhere Town. All history torn up and forgotten, and a Club run by a rich, foreign egomaniac, until he gets fed up, finds a new toy, and leaves us to fester.
Has the future ever been more dystopian?
 
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