Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Just for clarity, that wasn't aimed at you.
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Steve Cooper will always be the MAN!
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I get that, but as I've said above, I suspect that Marinakis isn't daft, he will know the steps needed to bring the club as a whole up to Premier League standard. He will know we can't truly be competitive until that's done, which it isn't yet.
So there is every likelihood that he may well consider 'this'll do' for a while yet because he lives in a real World where his fantasies of Forest being a top side are balanced by the requirements to do that rather than simply wanting everything now.
Once he has that background in place I would expect him to be as ruthless as he is at Olympiacos where he has a set up which means he expects domestic success.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Nothing like the same thing. We're not currently an established PL team.
You just seem to act as a self-appointed forum referee - what's your own opinion?
People try to engage with you in a serious debate about the merits or not of varying viewpoints and you destroy it with a comment like this.
Sigh.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
My own opinion is that we shouldn't be defending throw-ins and set pieces with 11 players in the box when we're playing the worst teams in the league at home, especially with the pace of Johnson and then Elanga in the squad. Seeing Turner run to the edge of the box for a quick distribution but then the frustration when he discovers he's the further forward Forest player.
I would also take a guess that the big fella is not happy. But that's mainly because I don't think he's ever that happy, given how often he likes to change things up.
chaospunx
Geoff Thomas
I'm in the I'd give Cooper more time than most camp but I'm in no doubt that if there is real threat of relegation this year he probably won't survive no matter what I think but I mean real threat not 5 points clear after 10 games I find any talk of it Currently ridiculous and more stired up by the clickbate sites and twitter shitstirers than real fans.
Cooper has brought back the real love of going to forest again after years of absolute drivvel if that's classed as that I'll do then class me in that camp I'm fine with it
Super Cooper's super reds
Cooper has brought back the real love of going to forest again after years of absolute drivvel if that's classed as that I'll do then class me in that camp I'm fine with it
Super Cooper's super reds
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
You see a serious debate but I see complete speculation (on both sides).
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Why? What has he done in the Premier League era to earn your support?
[Genuine question]
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Fair enough. Don't agree entirely but that's a valid viewpoint.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
It's not about 'this'll do', it's about time to build... Clearly Cooper is building something here and that, at this level, will take time. He's already built.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
I'm serious about mass debating, are you?
Morpeth
John Robertson
What an incredibly tedious non-debate this is.
Nobody has a clue what Marinakis thinks and it’s fair to say that he’s previously surprised everyone with how he’s acted at Forest. You may have thought he’d have sacked Cooper last season; you may have thought he wouldn’t; but I don’t think anyone would have expected him to hand out a new contract.
On that basis, and given that no one is explicitly saying that Cooper should be sacked, then what the f*** is everyone talking about?
Not that what I think matters, but I think Cooper is the right man for the job in the same way Marinakis is. Improvements are clear to see but not linear, and they’ve both put the heart back in Forest. I think they both know what they’re doing and there’s a very healthy relationship growing between the pair. I think my view is probably broadly similar to most who post on here and the select few who’s views differ either have a distorted view of how difficult winning football matches is, or they purposely want to destabilise a fan base because they are total dickheads.
Nobody has a clue what Marinakis thinks and it’s fair to say that he’s previously surprised everyone with how he’s acted at Forest. You may have thought he’d have sacked Cooper last season; you may have thought he wouldn’t; but I don’t think anyone would have expected him to hand out a new contract.
On that basis, and given that no one is explicitly saying that Cooper should be sacked, then what the f*** is everyone talking about?
Not that what I think matters, but I think Cooper is the right man for the job in the same way Marinakis is. Improvements are clear to see but not linear, and they’ve both put the heart back in Forest. I think they both know what they’re doing and there’s a very healthy relationship growing between the pair. I think my view is probably broadly similar to most who post on here and the select few who’s views differ either have a distorted view of how difficult winning football matches is, or they purposely want to destabilise a fan base because they are total dickheads.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
but there can be no smoke without fire.
the amount of speculation on Social Media is massive.
Therefore logic dictates tha5t what is being said is bound to be true.
Q.E.D.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Omar uses his other LTLF creation, Der Drater, for that purpose.
Omar Devone Little
Mr Realistic
And I would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids...
Morpeth
John Robertson
Probably thinks that we’re all too stupid to see what it reads backwards.
I'd say it's the very definition of entitlement.
Same as fans have an entitlement to boo , get on players back, transmit fear to nervous goalkeepers -as a paying customer , nevermind in a free country .It's your right. No laws are being broken.
Bigger point - Entitlement, in my opinion, isn't helpful toward getting what we all want - team playing better and winning more matches.
So. I'd prefer to take the view (to have) no entitlement to beat Luton and instead try and support the team in thick and thin. Although,I fully appreciate that it is testing when you throw away a two goal lead at home.
glosterred
First Team Squad
Bizarre how so many, when measuring Coopers Progression at the club, seem to be only considering his last 10 games, and dismissing completely, the previous 90.
For me, a new manager would need to deliver Champions League football within his first 100 games (which lets be honest, if Cooper gets sacked, there is not a cat in hells chance another manager will last 100 games under EM's tenure. There will always be something for the nit pickers to bemoan about any manager). For me, that would be the minimum expectation when benchmarked against Coopers achievements.
If the self harmers would not share the same expectation of a new manager, then for me lets stick with Cooper - whatever your expectations of a new manager would be (shy of Champions League football) within 100 games, Cooper will get us there as quick, if not quicker, than anyone.
For me, a new manager would need to deliver Champions League football within his first 100 games (which lets be honest, if Cooper gets sacked, there is not a cat in hells chance another manager will last 100 games under EM's tenure. There will always be something for the nit pickers to bemoan about any manager). For me, that would be the minimum expectation when benchmarked against Coopers achievements.
If the self harmers would not share the same expectation of a new manager, then for me lets stick with Cooper - whatever your expectations of a new manager would be (shy of Champions League football) within 100 games, Cooper will get us there as quick, if not quicker, than anyone.
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EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I think Forest have really suffered for changing managers at bad times firstly secondly he has credit in the bank with me. I would also say he has a pull attraction to young english players. Now don't get we wrong if we are in the bottom 3 come January it may test me but the current situation is tolerable albeit some really dissapointing results. Also performances against Palace, Brentford and Luton even with dissapointing results were markedly better than we have been. I think if we are not midtable by the end of next season there maybe some fans who don't want to which includes me who would have to revaluate.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Actually Omar, I'd argue that you would have got away with your 'Der Drater' alter-ego for a little longer had you not tried a bit too hard. It became so obvious that it was your creation.
You need to be a bit smarter with your next one.
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Redemption
One less gobshite...
It's the implicit stuff; "the big man thinks" and the like seems to be a codified masquerade for Cooper is going to get sacked, at the least. The supposed reasons for the predicted sacking always completely align with the poster's own position. Those same posters offer the flimsiest of backing: "I don't want him sacked but he has to change x, y and z." It doesn't matter why he does x, y and z or even if he's doing x, y and z. It's his own fault and EM won't stand for it.
That's my gripe anyway.
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Bonalair
John Robertson
Had a few days away from the forum. Wish I’d stayed away longer. Came back because I saw a pic of Steve Cooper on Twitter with THOUGHTS? as the comment. I thought surely not? Can’t believe what I’m reading from some folk . We are probably 2 points off where we might have thought we could be best case scenario.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, he is a breathe of fresh air for Forest and what he has achieved shouldn't be dismissed and there is definitely no need for any reset now or in the near future, apologies if that is how my post came across.
But the way I am reading some of the comments is that no matter what he shouldn't be going because of what he has achieved and there is nobody more suitable is just not a correct or realistic way of thinking in my opinion. Coopers ability ceiling and Forests(and their fans) ceiling of what they want to achieve shouldn't align, the teams(and fans) should always surpass the managers. Cooper is still getting to grips though with the Premierleague (I think some of your fans are comparing comments to when you were in the championship), nobody knows what his ceiling at this moment so until its obvious he's reached that the club should stick with him (unless something drastic happens).
You have nothing to apologise about and you are right, I do support a more stable club which is well run (now). Between 1990 and 2010 the team was a laughing stock though and was a complete shambles, they weren't far off bankruptcy back in 2010.
I understand the loyalty towards Cooper as Forest should never have been where they were for the last 20 odd years, but not to the detriment of falling back to the appalling winless football a lot of you have seen over the years. If that would happen I am sure the same people would say it was bad management sticking with him and now the club has dropped down to the Championship(or whatever the outcome).
All that said I don't want Cooper out, I have said in one of my original posts I have a connection to the team and the city and I enjoy seeing how they are doing and he is a big part of it.