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    I guess it would be nice if Forest actually asked, before keeping your money from this season?

    I posted before, VfB Stuttgart offered to refund season-card holders for unplayed games and individual match-ticket purchasers were offered a refund. You could of course opt not to, and let the club keep the money as a means of supporting it (and at VfB, the vast majority did just that) but the key thing here is that at least they asked!

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    I imagine the club wanted to know what was going on before making a decision. Broadcast rights have yet to be decided which may have an implication on what they decide to do.

    I’m not frothing at the mouth in anger yet. But I will be if it doesn’t get resolved


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    Just sent my email re Sheff Wed tickets to request a full refund in writing. Given the EFL in their statement confirmed any return to football for 19/20 would not involve supporters at matches. We've known it already but that was explicitly clear as is the government guidance that has now been confirmed. So there really is no room for manoeuvre.
    Given 100% of said revenue would have gone to Sheff Wed it's hardly a problem for Nottingham Forest my only assumption is given how late the cancellation and the sell out of the game whether the revenue is sent on pre or post the event to the hosting club or not.

    Be interesting to see if they do come out with anything other than a yes and how much they dig their heels in. I'm preparing for a bit of back and forth at least anyway!


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    To be honest, I wouldn't even mind credit. Whether that goes towards a future season ticket or the club shop, it would at least mean the money stays within the club and the fans get money back in some form. It would just leave a bit of a sour taste if this issue was swept under the carpet. Forest under Marinakis have done a lot more right than wrong. Im sure we will hear something soon, the relevant department is probably still on furlough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    Just sent my email re Sheff Wed tickets to request a full refund in writing. Given the EFL in their statement confirmed any return to football for 19/20 would not involve supporters at matches. We've known it already but that was explicitly clear as is the government guidance that has now been confirmed. So there really is no room for manoeuvre.
    Given 100% of said revenue would have gone to Sheff Wed it's hardly a problem for Nottingham Forest my only assumption is given how late the cancellation and the sell out of the game whether the revenue is sent on pre or post the event to the hosting club or not.

    Be interesting to see if they do come out with anything other than a yes and how much they dig their heels in. I'm preparing for a bit of back and forth at least anyway!
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    I await news from the club but I'm not paying to watch games at home. This season or next.

    Maybe they could add whatever games we've missed to our cards? Maybe for league or FA cup games, it still means we're shortchanged but at least get something.

    As for next season, if I cant go, I want a full refund

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    I find it difficult to "demand" a refund for something which was not of the clubs making. It's a strange time to be alive.

    However, I'm hoping that the EFL are able to negotiate a fee with the tv companies to show the behind closed doors games (obviously depending on the t&c's of BT and Sky deals) so the clubs can be in a position to offer refund/credit without leaving them short.

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    Latest from NFSC.....


    We held a really positive discussion with NFFC
    earlier - one of many where the various challenges of this situation have been discussed openly & with the club listening to the thoughts and views of the fanbase. A few updates follow:

    Information on refunds & options around match tickets is imminent. A further set of options specifically for season ticket holders will follow. The club has listened to our feedback on the options & we're confident they will cover the needs of the varying circumstances that exist across the fanbase.

    We remain in ongoing conversations about how the challenges are dealt with. What is / isn't feasible may be impacted by things we just do not know at this stage - e.g. which league will we be in next season, how much (if any) of the CG can be opened up to fans and when.

    We'll continue to provide feedback from as many people as possible and we'll continue to try and provide clarity in what remains a complex situation. You can get in touch with us at any time via comms@nffctrust.org

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    Very good. But not knowing which league Forest are in next season should not make any difference, as it didn't when Forest started selling next year's season tickets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakeyRed View Post
    I find it difficult to "demand" a refund for something which was not of the clubs making. It's a strange time to be alive.

    However, I'm hoping that the EFL are able to negotiate a fee with the tv companies to show the behind closed doors games (obviously depending on the t&c's of BT and Sky deals) so the clubs can be in a position to offer refund/credit without leaving them short.
    Its more to do with morality for me, Id find it more difficult to make such demands if the club didnt:

    a) Pay crazy sums of money to second tier footballers at the expense of everything else at the club.
    b) Expect the fans to continue to pay through the nose over the years for second rate football, services & footballing decisions.

    The fans have been the clubs one & only positive of the last decade. Turned up through thin & thinner. Its an opportunity to show gratitude the club shouldnt miss. Im not sure why there taking so long to deliberate over it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Its more to do with morality for me, Id find it more difficult to make such demands if the club didnt:

    a) Pay crazy sums of money to second tier footballers at the expense of everything else at the club.
    b) Expect the fans to continue to pay through the nose over the years for second rate football, services & footballing decisions.

    The fans have been the clubs one & only positive of the last decade. Turned up through thin & thinner. Its an opportunity to show gratitude the club shouldnt miss. Im not sure why there taking so long to deliberate over it.
    The amount of messages saying the club could keep the money has really surprised me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by football post View Post
    The amount of messages saying the club could keep the money has really surprised me.
    Whilst figures haven’t been specifically released, VfB Stuttgart have said that a „substantial majority“ of the clubs‘ season-card holders, and an even higher number of fans who had bought individual tickets for postponed games, had asked the club to keep the money.

    Even CEO Thomas Hitzlsperger has said he was both surprised and humbled by the response.

    It’s well known that the club has spent heavily, to attempt a return to the top flight at the first attempt, after relegation last season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Its more to do with morality for me, Id find it more difficult to make such demands if the club didnt:

    a) Pay crazy sums of money to second tier footballers at the expense of everything else at the club.
    b) Expect the fans to continue to pay through the nose over the years for second rate football, services & footballing decisions.

    The fans have been the clubs one & only positive of the last decade. Turned up through thin & thinner. Its an opportunity to show gratitude the club shouldnt miss. Im not sure why there taking so long to deliberate over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Its more to do with morality for me, Id find it more difficult to make such demands if the club didnt:

    a) Pay crazy sums of money to second tier footballers at the expense of everything else at the club.
    b) Expect the fans to continue to pay through the nose over the years for second rate football, services & footballing decisions.

    The fans have been the clubs one & only positive of the last decade. Turned up through thin & thinner. Its an opportunity to show gratitude the club shouldnt miss. Im not sure why there taking so long to deliberate over it.
    It's very difficult to put up a rational argument against any of what you say Phil. However, football supporters can be highly irrational, meaning that, barring family, some of us afford our clubs more credit and consideration than we would most other facets in our lives, both emotionally and financially. I certainly can't say I'm not guilty of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    It's very difficult to put up a rational argument against any of what you say Phil. However, football supporters can be highly irrational, meaning that, barring family, some of us afford our clubs more credit and consideration than we would most other facets in our lives, both emotionally and financially. I certainly can't say I'm not guilty of that.
    Can't pinpoint the exact time Frank, but there's a point where it dawned the club & players motivations were money rather than fans. Its when I decided to reciprocate when it comes to investing in the club.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Can't pinpoint the exact time Frank, but there's a point where it dawned the club & players motivations were money rather than fans. Its when I decided to reciprocate when it comes to investing in the club.
    Once again Chris (please excuse my earlier forgetfulness btw), a point that any fan thinking rationally can't argue with.

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    The club will keep the money for the three tickets my household has if we get access to games via TV.
    If the Sheffield Wednesday ticket money is going to Wednesday then I would like that money back,as I thought the amount they were charging was extortionate. If it had been £20 like WBA I'd be happy for them to keep it.

    If we were in the EPL I'd be looking for my money back. Unfortunately we are in the EFL and our owner is having to subsidise us. In fact it looks like he is trying to find every way he can to put money in to get us into the EPL. Whilst we are in the Championship he deserves support as it is such a difficult league to get out of. Once in the EPL he will have a more valuable asset on his hands and should be able to manage the finances of the club without as much support from the fans.

    The club very seldom publishes the actual fees involved in our player recruitment these days and I'm not sure what constitutes a crazy fee? Our whole squad could be purchased four or five times over for the amount our local rivals Leicester paid for an average EPL midfielder in Tielemans.
    Apart from a couple of exceptions the squad has been recruited for relatively low amounts
    The current regime have lowered ticket prices whilst improving our league position, that is why it has been a better ground to attend in the last two seasons. So we can hardly claim our ownership is milking us.
    I'd rather my money was used to keep the club stable and hopefully keep the positive momentum going rather than scupper the club in the middle of a crisis.


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    Professional football clubs have always been about money.
    It is a players career, a relatively short one at that, so they rightly look after themselves. I think that most players when they sign a contract then bond with a team and most of its supporters. But if they get moved on they will move their affiliations.It has always been that way in pro football at every level and every club.
    Why should players be loyal, they see all their mates bombed off out of the club at each step along the youth and academy team journey. They are one bad injury from having their career terminated and most clubs show very little loyalty to the players.
    Modern ownership is a different thing.
    No longer local businessmen done good, a lot of them were on the make mind.Now owners of big clubs tend to be owned by international businessmen as Forest are.
    But we seem to have a reasonable owner currently. He's in it for the money obviously, but needs to get in to the EPL to make money which aligns with my hopes for the club.
    He keeps a low profile and puts money into the club and the community. His hope is that he gets the money back in the long run, but it is a big gamble.
    As we know the Championship is a swine of a league and most of the investors who come in with the objective to get promoted fail, Robin Chipperfield guesses that Fawaz put £100 million into Forest for example and probably only got a third of that back.
    Doughty was putting £12m a year of his own money in.
    Both got hounded out of the club.
    I think Marinakis has a better chance of success because he already knows a lot about how football works.Time will tell.
    I certainly don't think the ownership is trying to swindle me out of my money as that is their only motivation.


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    Professional football clubs have always been about money.
    It is a players career, a relatively short one at that, so they rightly look after themselves. I think that most players when they sign a contract then bond with a team and most of its supporters. But if they get moved on they will move their affiliations.It has always been that way in pro football at every level and every club.
    Why should players be loyal, they see all their mates bombed off out of the club at each step along the youth and academy team journey. They are one bad injury from having their career terminated and most clubs show very little loyalty to the players.
    Modern ownership is a different thing.
    No longer local businessmen done good, a lot of them were on the make mind.Now owners of big clubs tend to be owned by international businessmen as Forest are.
    But we seem to have a reasonable owner currently. He's in it for the money obviously, but needs to get in to the EPL to make money which aligns with my hopes for the club.
    He keeps a low profile and puts money into the club and the community. His hope is that he gets the money back in the long run, but it is a big gamble.
    As we know the Championship is a swine of a league and most of the investors who come in with the objective to get promoted fail, Robin Chipperfield guesses that Fawaz put £100 million into Forest for example and probably only got a third of that back.
    Doughty was putting £12m a year of his own money in.
    Both got hounded out of the club.
    I think Marinakis has a better chance of success because he already knows a lot about how football works.Time will tell.
    I certainly don't think the ownership has as their main motivation, finding ways to swindle me out of my money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wred View Post
    Professional football clubs have always been about money.
    It is a players career, a relatively short one at that, so they rightly look after themselves. I think that most players when they sign a contract then bond with a team and most of its supporters. But if they get moved on they will move their affiliations.It has always been that way in pro football at every level and every club.
    Why should players be loyal, they see all their mates bombed off out of the club at each step along the youth and academy team journey. They are one bad injury from having their career terminated and most clubs show very little loyalty to the players.
    Modern ownership is a different thing.
    No longer local businessmen done good, a lot of them were on the make mind.Now owners of big clubs tend to be owned by international businessmen as Forest are.
    But we seem to have a reasonable owner currently. He's in it for the money obviously, but needs to get in to the EPL to make money which aligns with my hopes for the club.
    He keeps a low profile and puts money into the club and the community. His hope is that he gets the money back in the long run, but it is a big gamble.
    As we know the Championship is a swine of a league and most of the investors who come in with the objective to get promoted fail, Robin Chipperfield guesses that Fawaz put £100 million into Forest for example and probably only got a third of that back.
    Doughty was putting £12m a year of his own money in.
    Both got hounded out of the club.
    I think Marinakis has a better chance of success because he already knows a lot about how football works.Time will tell.
    I certainly don't think the ownership has as their main motivation, finding ways to swindle me out of my money.
    Why are footballers entitled to retire at 35?
    I changed career entirely at 31.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    Why are footballers entitled to retire at 35?
    I changed career entirely at 31.
    Professional footballers never really used to „retire“ at 35, it’s only really as more and more money has flooded into the game (and gone straight out again in ludicrous wages) that they’ve been able to retire to lifelong luxury in their mid-30s, without any financial worries.

    I did a complete career-change at 26, and hell I’d loved to have been able to retire at 35. as it is, I’ll be working for (at least) another decade, if not more.


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    Don't agree. About thirty years players seemed to retire earlier in general.

    Always exceptions, but players didn't used to be as fit. There was portly playmaker in most teams that would struggle to make it past thirty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wred View Post
    The club will keep the money for the three tickets my household has if we get access to games via TV.
    If the Sheffield Wednesday ticket money is going to Wednesday then I would like that money back,as I thought the amount they were charging was extortionate. If it had been £20 like WBA I'd be happy for them to keep it.

    If we were in the EPL I'd be looking for my money back. Unfortunately we are in the EFL and our owner is having to subsidise us. In fact it looks like he is trying to find every way he can to put money in to get us into the EPL. Whilst we are in the Championship he deserves support as it is such a difficult league to get out of. Once in the EPL he will have a more valuable asset on his hands and should be able to manage the finances of the club without as much support from the fans.

    The club very seldom publishes the actual fees involved in our player recruitment these days and I'm not sure what constitutes a crazy fee? Our whole squad could be purchased four or five times over for the amount our local rivals Leicester paid for an average EPL midfielder in Tielemans.
    Apart from a couple of exceptions the squad has been recruited for relatively low amounts
    The current regime have lowered ticket prices whilst improving our league position, that is why it has been a better ground to attend in the last two seasons. So we can hardly claim our ownership is milking us.
    I'd rather my money was used to keep the club stable and hopefully keep the positive momentum going rather than scupper the club in the middle of a crisis.
    The issue was more wages than fees, the same reason the owner "struggles" to subsidise us. You have to assume looking at the disproportionate wage figures on the accounts is where the money retained will get swallowed & the cycle continues. Demanding my money back could do the club a favour, encourage them to buy better players on lower wages maybe.

    Ultimately there's nothing compelling here to detract me from asking for money back on something Im not getting. Has my season card been lowered? I know some concessions have benefits, not sure mine has. has the ground been a better place to be over the last two years? More folk to navigate with the same shit service & massively expensive sub standard food if we're honest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Don't agree. About thirty years players seemed to retire earlier in general.

    Always exceptions, but players didn't used to be as fit. There was portly playmaker in most teams that would struggle to make it past thirty.
    They left football and bought a pub or a post office, there was never the assumption that work would stop after football.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    They left football and bought a pub or a post office, there was never the assumption that work would stop after football.
    Des Walker ended up driving a lorry!


 

 

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