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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    All these other stats are irrelevant though.

    Points per game will result in exactly the same league table as it currently stands, because we've all played the same amount of games. It ignores the fact some teams may have easier run ins, having already played their hard fixtures.

    Weeks in top six is irrelevant, Swansea have been 7th for bloody ages but they're not out of the play-off race because of that. It's based on points, not position, and they're one game away from being top six.

    If you really want to finish the season with play-offs and avoid legal suits then the only fair way of that is a some sort of super play-off comprised of all clubs that could make the play-offs done in such a way that weights the probability of success based on how high in the table you are. Something like:

    Sub-Play off 1: Birmingham vs Cardiff, Wednesday vs Blackburn, Reading vs Swansea, QPR vs Derby. Then winners of these ties play semis, then final, then one winner who progresses to next stage.

    Sub play off 2: Preston vs SPO1 winner, Bristol City vs Millwall - again winners go through.

    Sub play off 3: Brentford vs SPO2 winner, Forest vs Preston - winner goes through.

    Play-off final: Fulham vs SPO3 winner.


    I don't think that's feasible, or wanted, compared to the other options of delay indefinitely or null it.
    Agree 100%

    The weeks in the top 6 was more of a backing-up to the ppg thing. Of course teams have an easier run-ins than others. We supposedly had one.

    I'm fully in the camp of finishing the season behind closed doors starting in June or even August. I think we have to realise that the situation may never be overcome fully for ages. People have to be smarter and more hygiene conscience getting on as close to their normal lives as possible. The graphs have shown that it can bottom out like Korea. That is why I say this is a week-by-week process. Planning should start now which it has and with knowledgeable information the fotoball clubs can get back to training and playing games.

    It is about adapting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    That is exactly the problem. Clubs are preparing for the whole 2020/21 season to be behind closed doors too.

    The need to get some normality and up-liftment through sport is extremely important. Steady re-introduction to "normal life with safety measures" will come back and sport will be one of the first.

    Right now it looks like The Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, Premier League, Championship and Liga Nos are all determined to get the season finished.

    Lets see what the next few weeks in the process brings. I'm certainly not in the camp of writing off this season. In fact yesterday sounded positive from all reports released by those leagues just mentioned. They will make it happen when it is possible. Some won't like it and how we have to adapt but so be it.
    Reports I read merely indicated they just hadn't given up hope yet but no real solutions brought to the table. Which is the same as every report I've read on discussions that have taken place. Nothing taken off the table, trying to work things out.

    Whatever route they take, someone, somewhere will complain, sue, threaten to break away and form a new league.

    You can't play a football match whilst practising social distancing and therefore it cannot be deemed safe for the players. That's before you have any consideration of the knock on effect. Do you think the city of Liverpool for example will celebrate their title win from the comfort of their own home? Do you think the City of Leeds will celebrate promotion by stepping no further than their doorstep? It's more than just can we safely hold a game, and even that question the answer is no.

    It's delaying the inevitable but practically speaking, there's no way to conclude this season realistically within any sort of sensible timeframe and the risks doing so bring SHOULD and I think they are, be clear to say this isn't the right thing to do.

    The other thing I think really needs highlighting and noting is why anyone would support the idea of us getting to a play-off final, potentially winning it and having no opportunity to go to Wembley, no opportunity to watch it in a pub with their mates. To watch that happen behind closed doors, I would be devastated.


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    I think it maybe 2024 before the next ball is kicked, and some experts are saying there'll be another virus roundabout then so it could be 2030.

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    Reports I read merely indicated they just hadn't given up hope yet but no real solutions brought to the table. Which is the same as every report I've read on discussions that have taken place. Nothing taken off the table, trying to work things out.

    Whatever route they take, someone, somewhere will complain, sue, threaten to break away and form a new league.

    You can't play a football match whilst practising social distancing and therefore it cannot be deemed safe for the players. That's before you have any consideration of the knock on effect. Do you think the city of Liverpool for example will celebrate their title win from the comfort of their own home? Do you think the City of Leeds will celebrate promotion by stepping no further than their doorstep? It's more than just can we safely hold a game, and even that question the answer is no.

    It's delaying the inevitable but practically speaking, there's no way to conclude this season realistically within any sort of sensible timeframe and the risks doing so bring SHOULD and I think they are, be clear to say this isn't the right thing to do.

    The other thing I think really needs highlighting and noting is why anyone would support the idea of us getting to a play-off final, potentially winning it and having no opportunity to go to Wembley, no opportunity to watch it in a pub with their mates. To watch that happen behind closed doors, I would be devastated.
    Don't get me wrong, I have thought about the other side of this and it is easily understandable too.

    I'm just leaving this into decision-makers hands. Governments, boards and clubs will have the final say. Bundesliga and Serie A certainly have been saying that. La Liga players are returning to training on 4 May. Won't be upset either way.

    I'm certainly not in the thinking money is the sole purpose and even it was, all clubs in all countries can be guilty of getting ahead of themselves and not seeing a pandemic like this happen and want to come out the other side financially secure and safe for the people to continue enjoying their club playing football. Let's be honest fans have got into this too, we want this player and that player. All sides of football will hopefully get a slight reality check because of this.

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    The Bundesliga restarted training and within a week 4 players have tested positive, so that sort of shows you what will happen if games are restarted at this point.

    Also not all players are well paid idiots and some may not be willing to take the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    The Bundesliga restarted training and within a week 4 players have tested positive, so that sort of shows you what will happen if games are restarted at this point.

    Also not all players are well paid idiots and some may not be willing to take the risk.
    Of the three from 1.FC Köln, they are all apparently players (not coaching staff) and are now self-isolating for 14 days, although Das Billy Goats have said that none - as yet - have developed symptoms of Covid-19.

    The presumptive date for resumption of the Bundesliga‘s top-two tiers is either May 9 or May 16, however that is at the whim of the German federal government, who could next week put a stop to that quite quickly.

    It’s also been reported that the ban on „large open air gatherings“ which was set to run until August 31st, will be extended until Oktober 24th, which (obviously!) means no supporters at games in stadiums until at least then. It’s this ban that caused the cancellation of this year’s Oktoberfest in München, and the Stuttgarter Volksfest (similarly scheduled for the end of September) will not go ahead either.

    VfB Stuttgart‘s players, who have reported back for training (like virtually every other club) are so far only doing small group and non-contact Training; there does not seem to be any „proper“ contact-training at all, according to the club and players.

    Not sure how, in that scenario, the players would be expected to by fully up to speed and match-fit to restart competitive games in the next 1-2 weeks, unless you’re happy to watch something akin to testimonial-pace matches?

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    The primary thing for me isn't deciding who goes up or down or when the season restarts, it should be about protecting clubs in League One and downwards who's money from matchday activity makes up a much more signifcant part of their revenue than PL and Championship clubs.

    We should be talking about PL clubs agreeing to pay £2m each and Championship clubs £500k each as a parachute fund for the lower league clubs. That'd be £50m which could be distributed equally to all the teams in L1 and L2 - £1m each. That would cover roughly 9 games of lost matchday revenue (based on 3,000 attendance) and any prize/league participation money given in the close season.

    Many of these clubs will fold without that money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    The primary thing for me isn't deciding who goes up or down or when the season restarts, it should be about protecting clubs in League One and downwards who's money from matchday activity makes up a much more signifcant part of their revenue than PL and Championship clubs.

    We should be talking about PL clubs agreeing to pay £2m each and Championship clubs £500k each as a parachute fund for the lower league clubs. That'd be £50m which could be distributed equally to all the teams in L1 and L2 - £1m each. That would cover roughly 9 games of lost matchday revenue (based on 3,000 attendance) and any prize/league participation money given in the close season.

    Many of these clubs will fold without that money.
    In the scheme of things, £50m is peanuts to the Premier League.

    For example,it’s roughly double what Man United pay in interest repayments alone each year.


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    If, or quite possibly when, the current season is null and voided, due to the realistic necessity of a vaccination programme needing to be extensively rolled-out before competitive spectator sport can resume, it appears highly likely that the following season will be completed within a single calendar year. The knock-on effect of that will doubtlessly result in it taking a number of years for the game to return to its historical norm.

    Seasons beginning in January or February and ending in the late autumn could potentially be with us for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    The primary thing for me isn't deciding who goes up or down or when the season restarts, it should be about protecting clubs in League One and downwards who's money from matchday activity makes up a much more signifcant part of their revenue than PL and Championship clubs.

    We should be talking about PL clubs agreeing to pay £2m each and Championship clubs £500k each as a parachute fund for the lower league clubs. That'd be £50m which could be distributed equally to all the teams in L1 and L2 - £1m each. That would cover roughly 9 games of lost matchday revenue (based on 3,000 attendance) and any prize/league participation money given in the close season.

    Many of these clubs will fold without that money.
    In Portugal this is how they financially helping out 2 Liga teams.

    O Jogo: Federation to give 1 million euros and Liga 550k to be split among 2Liga clubs to help with cancellations of season. Lots of anger by players on social media over the cancellation. Feirense is the most unhappy.



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    Surely the clubs are members of the EFL, perhaps only in limited numbers in L2 and L1, but why not gather them together, ask for ideas, vote and get a split decision so that the League have to make a casting vote.

    If they play it right, they can then close it all out without the lawsuits.

    Then the players can go out and earn money helping farmers get the crops in. The clubs can open their grounds to help with distributing food to the local communities (after all, they claim to be community clubs) and finally, the pitches can be dug up for allotments to feed the poor.

    Oh, and the rich Premier League clubs can open their doors to help convalescent Covid 19 sufferers.


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    I think Maxi's point about protecting the future of smaller clubs down the league is probably the important thing.

    If there's a football family, do the right thing.

    Everything else can wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    I think Maxi's point about protecting the future of smaller clubs down the league is probably the important thing.

    If there's a football family, do the right thing.

    Everything else can wait.
    The PL will look after themselves, they couldn’t give a Matt & Luke about the lower leagues


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Absolutely, Leeds & WBA get promoted without being promoted

    Norwich stay up & get more PL money

    Fulham could still catch either Leeds or WBA

    We’ve taken 4 points off Leeds this season

    PL shove it up yer bollocks
    If this happens, I would say us and Fulham would probably be favourites to go up next season. To be fair if they get promoted there will be 6 relegations from the Premier league next season. Would rather not be part of that season


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    Football isn't a sport without the fans, and I mean potentially full stadiums, not this behind closed doors or massively reduced attendances bollocks

    Ive loved football all my life but I won't watch a match again on TV, even Forest, unless its full attendances

    My opinion is null and void the season and start a new one when safe to do so. This would also end all the silliness thats being spouted at the minute


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    I agree that football is for and about the fans.

    But I also think with all this nonsense going on, and with how weak our society is nowadays. It's going to be an age before people will be allowed to fill a stadium again.

    I love sport, not just football, and if I can watch live sport again, tv or in a stadium, i'd love to do it. So I fully support starting the season up behind closed doors.


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    In Italy, all Serie A clubs have voted to resume the season as soon as possible and all clubs have been given the green light by the government to resume football training on 18 May.

    Juventus's Paulo Dybala is still testing positive for COVID-19, more than 6 weeks after first being diagnosed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy22 View Post
    In Italy, all Serie A clubs have voted to resume the season as soon as possible and all clubs have been given the green light by the government to resume football training on 18 May.

    Juventus's Paulo Dybala is still testing positive for COVID-19, more than 6 weeks after first being diagnosed.
    This is true...

    ... With the caveat that the government haven't yet decided if they will allow it. Announcement expected on Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Money has been poisoning the game for years now.
    Finally the game is going to die.
    Must say I was shocked watching a rerun of The Gooners winning the league at prawn sandwich HQ and realised how utterly essential premier league football used to be...Keane flying round like a mentalist, the Arsenal lads leaving everything on the pitch, the atmosphere...now THAT was the premier league I so desperately wanted Forest to be a part of...you’re right Captain, football as we once knew it is dead...or certainly a pale imitation of itself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    The PL will look after themselves, they couldn’t give a Matt & Luke about the lower leagues
    They'll be hoping six or seven L1 and L2 clubs fold so their places can be conveniently taken by U23 sides when the football calendar finally resumes.


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    The Premier League will find a way to give Liverpool the title for fear of the Scouse backlash

    The other three leagues will be thrown to the wolves


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    They'll be hoping six or seven L1 and L2 clubs fold so their places can be conveniently taken by U23 sides when the football calendar finally resumes.
    That's my fear as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    They'll be hoping six or seven L1 and L2 clubs fold so their places can be conveniently taken by U23 sides when the football calendar finally resumes.
    And Sky, BBC & Talksport along with the zombie PL fans will just lap it up


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    All these other stats are irrelevant though.

    Points per game will result in exactly the same league table as it currently stands, because we've all played the same amount of games. It ignores the fact some teams may have easier run ins, having already played their hard fixtures.

    Weeks in top six is irrelevant, Swansea have been 7th for bloody ages but they're not out of the play-off race because of that. It's based on points, not position, and they're one game away from being top six.

    If you really want to finish the season with play-offs and avoid legal suits then the only fair way of that is a some sort of super play-off comprised of all clubs that could make the play-offs done in such a way that weights the probability of success based on how high in the table you are. Something like:

    Sub-Play off 1: Birmingham vs Cardiff, Wednesday vs Blackburn, Reading vs Swansea, QPR vs Derby. Then winners of these ties play semis, then final, then one winner who progresses to next stage.

    Sub play off 2: Preston vs SPO1 winner, Bristol City vs Millwall - again winners go through.

    Sub play off 3: Brentford vs SPO2 winner, Forest vs Preston - winner goes through.

    Play-off final: Fulham vs SPO3 winner.


    I don't think that's feasible, or wanted, compared to the other options of delay indefinitely or null it.
    I applud the effort, but there's so much fudge in there that I think I've contracted type II diabetes just reading it!

    Finish the season in full, or bin it off. There are no other options that won't result in lawsuits for the rest of eternity.


 

 

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