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    Flaggers has posted this in the official update thread, but I think it's worthy of it's own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flagman View Post
    Sad day for the club.

    Considering stopping supporting the club now. Lowered ourselves to a level I don't want to be associated with.

    As Wes so superbly puts......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    It's way beyond time that football realigned with reality, when it isn't unusual for 2nd division players to be earning in excess of £1 million p/a the job is well and truly fucked.



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    Posted in the other thread, it’s a disgrace. Forest are owned by a multi-millionaire, who is seemingly happy to take Taxpayers‘ cash to subsidise the business.

    Not good Forest. Not good at all.

    You seriously need to rethink this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Flaggers has posted this in the official update thread, but I think it's worthy of it's own.



    Sad day for the club.

    Considering stopping supporting the club now. Lowered ourselves to a level I don't want to be associated with.

    As Wes so superbly puts......
    My pal has started watching Basford, he's Boro and she's (proper) Man City and they're always trying to get us down there. My season ticket is due and I'm having real reservations about renewing. It doesn't feel relevant anymore and watching the PFA (with the backing of their members) refusing pay cuts (they'll do a Liverpool and back pedal as soon as public opinion gets loud enough) fucking sickens me.
    Yes, it's a short career but what the fuck entitles them to retire at 35 anyway?

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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    No different to thousands of other companies doing the same.

    And many of those thousands of other companies make a profit (unlike Forest).

    The problem lies with the players and their salaries that bear no resemblance to the real world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    No different to thousands of other companies doing the same.

    And many of those thousands of other companies make a profit (unlike Forest).

    The problem lies with the players and their salaries that bear no resemblance to the real world.
    The scheme was set up as a grant to support small businesses to bridge the gap during a shortfall in revenue during this crisis.


    Not football clubs owned by billionaires. The taxpayer should not pick up the bill while players, CEO's etc get full pay.

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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    The scheme was set up as a grant to support small businesses to bridge the gap during a shortfall in revenue during this crisis.
    It's not just small businesses though. Many global, multinational, multi-million pound businesses are currently using it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    It's not just small businesses though. Many global, multinational, multi-million pound businesses are currently using it.
    I know that.

    And the more who do are immorally taking critical funds from the government when they could be used elsewhere to support areas in desperate need and businesses who will not be financially able to survive the crisis.

    If Forest need to furlough their non-playing staff then they need to look at other areas significantly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Posted in the other thread, it’s a disgrace. Forest are owned by a multi-millionaire, who is seemingly happy to take Taxpayers‘ cash to subsidise the business.

    Not good Forest. Not good at all.

    You seriously need to rethink this.
    Aye. Low as fuck when you look at our wage bill & conks like Zach Clough, Muric, Semedo picking up stupid wages every week.

    Think I might end up supporting LTLF instead of NFFC now. I mean, EM was on about buying a 3rd fucking club the other week FFS!

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    No different to thousands of other companies doing the same.

    And many of those thousands of other companies make a profit (unlike Forest).

    The problem lies with the players and their salaries that bear no resemblance to the real world.
    You're last sentence is the difference you don't recognize in the first sentence.

    Breech of contract? So what? Let the players fuck off for free.

    Zach Clough, Semedo, Muric......give them the fucking £200/wk they're worth and if they want to fuck off let them fuck off.

    Weak.

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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Aye. Low as fuck when you look at our wage bill & conks like Zach Clough, Muric, Semedo picking up stupid wages every week.

    Think I might end up supporting LTLF instead of NFFC now. I mean, EM was on about buying a 3rd fucking club the other week FFS!



    You're last sentence is the difference you don't recognize in the first sentence.

    Breech of contract? So what? Let the players fuck off for free.

    Zach Clough, Semedo, Muric......give them the fucking £200/wk they're worth and if they want to fuck off let them fuck off.

    Weak.
    I don't get why we haven't just paid off Clough and told him to find another club, he's done nothing since the first six weeks he was here and is now just taking up a place in the U23s which we could be putting someone like Ethan Dekel in, in other words a player who is learning the game and wants to play for us.

    Surely he's nowhere near the team and wouldn't be even if all the other senior midfielders were out injured.

    Muric and Semedo aren't ours, maybe we couldn't send them back in the transfer window or something, but as they're only on loan we probably aren't paying their full wage anyway.


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    Disappointed in Forest, thought we were better than that


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    Not sure this is anywhere near as bad as it looks.

    There have been no matches since 14th March, which is almost a month, and no sign of when it may start again. Aside from the loss of matchday income, and other commercial activities the ground may be used for, the players clearly aren't in training either, so is there actually any work for them?

    As I understand the furlough scheme is available to businesses whose activity has been affected by the coronavirus (you can't argue a football club hasn't) so that the work load of the employees is reduced which would normally make them redundant but as the condition is temporary they can simply tell them not to work whilst they have no work and reclaim some of their wages from the Government in the process.

    On the face of it, and considering that loads of other employers (large and small) have furloughed or redeployed staff, a football club isn't much different from this.

    Don't also forget the club are also topping up the remaining 20% so they are getting full pay until they are needed again, so the staff aren't losing anything and the only change is that they don't need to go into work (or do their tasks from home) but this may well be because they have no work anyway?

    They probably also can't really furlough the players, as they would earn too much - there's an upper limit on how much they can claim back and their salaries will be well over it.


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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    Not sure this is anywhere near as bad as it looks.

    There have been no matches since 14th March, which is almost a month, and no sign of when it may start again. Aside from the loss of matchday income, and other commercial activities the ground may be used for, the players clearly aren't in training either, so is there actually any work for them?

    As I understand the furlough scheme is available to businesses whose activity has been affected by the coronavirus (you can't argue a football club hasn't) so that the work load of the employees is reduced which would normally make them redundant but as the condition is temporary they can simply tell them not to work whilst they have no work and reclaim some of their wages from the Government in the process.

    On the face of it, and considering that loads of other employers (large and small) have furloughed or redeployed staff, a football club isn't much different from this.

    Don't also forget the club are also topping up the remaining 20% so they are getting full pay until they are needed again, so the staff aren't losing anything and the only change is that they don't need to go into work (or do their tasks from home) but this may well be because they have no work anyway?

    They probably also can't really furlough the players, as they would earn too much - there's an upper limit on how much they can claim back and their salaries will be well over it.
    £1m probably covers that, i'd rather we took it from next season transfer budget than take government money

    EM could cover it in the meantime


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    £1m probably covers that, i'd rather we took it from next season transfer budget than take government money

    EM could cover it in the meantime
    Good point, but that may well have FFP impact if we did it that way, though...


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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Any idea what the total annual salaries combined might be for all furloughed staff?
    Bet it's small change in EMs back pocket.
    Very disappointing from Forest.


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    Default NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Also, the club could definitely furlough the players - they are just as much PAYE employees as the (so-called) „non-playing staff“ are, but the government scheme is capped at £2.5k a month. Of course, every player will be paid more than that (significantly so in some cases).

    So, why not? Let’s see if the poor dears can manage on a fairly ordinary income! It’s not like they’re doing much else to earn it, save for a bit of PR fluff, are they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Also, the club could definitely furlough the players - they are just as much PAYE employees as the (so-called) „non-playing staff“ are, but the government scheme is capped at £2.5k a month. Of course, ever player will be paid more than that (significantly so in some cases).

    So, why not? Let’s see if the poor dears can manage on a fairly ordinary income! It’s not like they’re doing much else to earn it, save for a bit of PR fluff, are they?
    Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StuC View Post
    Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.
    I’d love to see that challenged in court.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    I’d love to see that challenged in court.
    How is the PFA funded? is it a set fee for every player, or (and i'm going to guess it's this option) a percentage of the players wage?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StuC View Post
    How is the PFA funded? is it a set fee for every player, or (and i'm going to guess it's this option) a percentage of the players wage?
    A set fee for all players £125 or something daft like that springs to mind. I can't remember what their main income stream is but it isn't membership.
    I got that from Undr the Cosh podcast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StuC View Post
    How is the PFA funded? is it a set fee for every player, or (and i'm going to guess it's this option) a percentage of the players wage?
    As has been mentioned, PFA membership subscription is a mere £125 annually. Its funding comes primarily from TV monies by way of a grant of around £28m-per-year from the Premier League, of which £2.8m is paid as an annual salary to its CEO, Gordon Taylor, making him, arguably, the world's highest paid union baron.

    As such, it isn't difficult to surmise that Taylor's refusal so far to countenance his members taking a temporary pay cut (more especially those who play for PL and Championship clubs) would, to a large extent, compromise him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StuC View Post
    Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.
    Bong, Clough, Semedo, Muric, Hef etc. Where's the negative?

    Bomb squad gone for no payout.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Bong, Clough, Semedo, Muric, Hef etc. Where's the negative?

    Bomb squad gone for no payout.
    And Grabban, Lolley, the Sambas, Matty Cash? Are you happy to see them walk, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    And Grabban, Lolley, the Sambas, Matty Cash? Are you happy to see them walk, too?

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    Why would they leave if the toss players leeching a wage off us were the ones docked and not them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StuC View Post
    Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.
    where would they move too?


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    Quote Originally Posted by eezzeetiger View Post
    where would they move too?
    Theres no honour in football, the highest bidder would take them

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