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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    There's been no football for a month and there are serious concerns about many clubs and whole leagues going bust.

    How did they cope during the war?

    People have been predicting for years the bubble football exists it would burst. Is this it?

    Seems a good chance for football to realise it has ruined itself a little bit.
    How do they cope during may, June, July...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    I'm not saying I agree with the decision.
    It's a bad look for any football club in the top 2 divisions with the level of player wages.
    But let's not kid ourselves that Liverpool have any more morality on this issue than Forest. If they hadn't had a backlash they'd have carried on.
    Let's not forget that Forest are topping the furloughed staff wages up so none of them are losing out.

    The likes of Liverpool etc can afford to take the hit much, much, much more comfortably than any championship club.

    I found out yesterday that someone in my extended family and several friends are losing their jobs as their employer is going into administration.
    I'd rather see Forest's non playing staff furloughed on full pay than being laid off or made redundant.

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    I'm sorry, but all this talk of morality kind of annoys me a little as I find it hard to blame Marinakis or Forest on this and is to me is just another sign of the house of cards English football has been built on since the inception of the Premier League. With each passing season more and more money has been thrown at English football and more and more of it got pumped into the Premier Leagu while the rest of the EFL got handed essentially a pittance to share between the rest of the 72 clubs.

    The first sign that English fooball was in a precarious position was when football clubs were being relegated out of the Premier League and incurring massive debts due to the huge gulf between the inflated wages that were being paid and the revenue they were now receiving outside of the Premier League. That there should have been an indication that something huge was wrong and a massive overhaul was needed, but instead of that they just threw money at the relegated teams to try to keep them solvent. This caused a massive imbalance and meant it more likely that relegated teams would go straight back up meaning teams had to take massive financial risks in a vain struggle to compete leading pretty much all teams to incure massive losses just for that rare opportunity to compete in the Premier League.

    Then the millionaires and billionaires jumped in seeing an opportuniy to pump in, what to them is probably a small amount of money, and make bank by getting and staying in the Premier League. This meant even more money going to insane wages and inflated prices in a league that really couldn't sustain it and more losses were incurred. Again, instead of trying to resolve the issue being caused by the ludicrous jump in revenue of hitting the Premier League and distributing it more evenly the hasitly threw in FFP in a hope to make clubs balance the books, a decision that only increased the imbalance in the Championship.

    Now the coronavirus has hit and it's the straw that broke the camels back. It has shown how unsustainable the model is as the main source of revenue that the EFL relies on is just gone. The PFA hasn't exactly done anything to help insisting that players should refuse all deals for any cuts to wages because it would punch a hole into the U.K. taxes, which to me sounds like it could be an excuse hiding a more selfish motive. Let's not forget that the PFA is essentially a union and if they are indeed acting in a way to prevent players agreeing to wage cuts then the only option for a lot of clubs at this moment is to do something that most of us find distasteful.

    We've all known that football in this country has been unsustainable and ultimately things have got to change. We have one of the richest and most expansive pyramid structures in Europe, but the life blood is being squeezed out of it and that it was only a matter of time that something would come along and collapse the house of cards that pyramid now is. This is why I find it so hard to blame Forest or any othe EFL club that does this. The bosses of football need to seriously rethink how the structure works, but I have this horrible feeling that when we finally get past this awful period that they won't learn the lessons and just go right back to how it was before.

    Essentially, I can't help think it's more a multitude of horrible decisions that have led us to this situation as opposed to it just being a lack of morality by the clubs.


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    Furloughing provides business with an alternative to having to make jobs redundant in the short term but it is by no means a guarantee.

    I expect there will be businesses, that despite financial assistance, will need to make redundancies after all this as the economy will need time to recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    Furloughing provides business with an alternative to having to make jobs redundant in the short term but it is by no means a guarantee.

    I expect there will be businesses, that despite financial assistance, will need to make redundancies after all this as the economy will need time to recover.
    Aye. It will be very interesting to see how that effects the everyman, and how fans end up view footballers continuing to rake in such high wages throughout that.

    Who knows, we may even see a sensible wage cap re-introduced again at long last ?


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    So the Premier League clubs are now being given even more money to help with "cash flow" problems during these "difficult times".

    EFL over to you.

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    Nothing will change, once football starts up again the Sky money will be rolling back into the PL clubs and they'll all carry on as before

    Only difference is a few lower league clubs may be go pop in a Bury / Bolton situation but as long as the Sky sports zombies have got overrated tosspot players on £100k per week to jizz over then who gives a fuck about the likes of Bury & Bolton


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    Furloughing provides business with an alternative to having to make jobs redundant in the short term but it is by no means a guarantee.

    I expect there will be businesses, that despite financial assistance, will need to make redundancies after all this as the economy will need time to recover.
    Furloughing was intended to support small businesses and their employees for a short period to try and ensure that those businesses didn't go bankrupt.
    I doubt that the Chancellor thought that the likes of Liverpool (now retracted),Newcastle, Bournemouth, Spurs etc would be bailed out.
    And with all that money in the hands of the Premier League clubs and their players it is surely beholden on them to redistribute the scandalous player wage excesses within their own staff, and to cascade cash down to the lower leagues.
    What the big clubs have done, and are doing, is within the law, but not within the spirit or morality of our country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Nothing will change, once football starts up again the Sky money will be rolling back into the PL clubs and they'll all carry on as before

    Only difference is a few lower league clubs may be go pop in a Bury / Bolton situation but as long as the Sky sports zombies have got overrated tosspot players on £100k per week to jizz over then who gives a fuck about the likes of Bury & Bolton
    I find it difficult to give a fuck about "Premier league 2 Bolton" to be honest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Furloughing was intended to support small businesses and their employees for a short period to try and ensure that those businesses didn't go bankrupt.
    I doubt that the Chancellor thought that the likes of Liverpool (now retracted),Newcastle, Bournemouth, Spurs etc would be bailed out.
    And with all that money in the hands of the Premier League clubs and their players it is surely beholden on them to redistribute the scandalous player wage excesses within their own staff, and to cascade cash down to the lower leagues.
    What the big clubs have done, and are doing, is within the law, but not within the spirit or morality of our country.
    I’m afraid that some larger business, who will indeed be affected but not to a critical extent, will see furloughing as an opportunity for ‘free’ government funding.

    The whole furloughing thing is, of course, new but I can’t but think there are large loopholes which are being taken advantage of. Should have been made profit related.


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    I’m afraid that some larger business, who will indeed be affected but not to a critical extent, will see furloughing as an opportunity for ‘free’ government funding.

    The whole furloughing thing is, of course, new but I can’t but think there are large loopholes which are being taken advantage of. Should have been made profit related.
    The problem with that is, the large, profitable multinationals would then simply fire swathes of employees to protect their profitability. Effectively victimizing people for simply working for large companies.


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    Quit correct I worked for a company in the 1980s that had the labour force placed on a three day week for one year to try and stop redundancies, with wages topped up by the government to four days.
    At the end of the year 25% of the staff were still made redundant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    The problem with that is, the large, profitable multinationals would then simply fire swathes of employees to protect their profitability. Effectively victimizing people for simply working for large companies.
    Everyone is affected by the Coronavirus situation.

    Many are losing their jobs as a result whereas many others are profiting purely because of the company they work for. Size shouldn’t make a difference but the amount of money they are making should.

    I thought we were all in this together.

    If that’s really the case then no one should object to making financial compromises.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    The problem with that is, the large, profitable multinationals would then simply fire swathes of employees to protect their profitability. Effectively victimizing people for simply working for large companies.
    This exactly why the German government brought in the Kurzarbeit scheme after the financial crisis of 2008, so that employers (of all sizes) would not have to make massive redundancies, just to remain solvent (and thus, be able to provide the products and services they previously did, when the economy picked up again).

    Kurzarbeit provides federal government cash to pay a proportion of employee wages, to ensure that redundancies can be absolutely minimised where possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    Everyone is affected by the Coronavirus situation.

    Many are losing their jobs as a result whereas many others are profiting purely because of the company they work for. Size shouldn’t make a difference but the amount of money they are making should.

    I thought we were all in this together.

    If that’s really the case then no one should object to making financial compromises.
    Whilst I agree with that, I don't have any faith that many people running businesses will put their people before their profits. That's not how they got to where they are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    I find it difficult to give a fuck about "Premier league 2 Bolton" to be honest.
    fair comment, fuck Bolton


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    Bolton gave it the big un and this is there own doing. Mis-managed to the extreme whilst the players and their agents raped them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    How do they cope during may, June, July...

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    Don't know how anyone can look at that squad and say "Forest will definitely be up there" like I've read from some on here!

    10th at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuC View Post
    Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.
    where would they move too?


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    Whichever way you cut it, any club that can find £ thousands a week to pay its worst reserve player shouldn't be begging the taxpayer for a handout to pay its other staff.

    Zero sympathy with the clubs from me. Maybe it's time for a water-tight wage cap to finally come in, devoid of any exploitable loopholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezzeetiger View Post
    where would they move too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Theres no honour in football, the highest bidder would take them

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    Not till July though, can't sign anyone at this time even free agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    Not till July though, can't sign anyone at this time even free agents.

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    Whenever it is there will be a mad scramble and there could be a scenario where a group of clubs take a stand, whilst another bunch hoovers up the mercenaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Furloughing was intended to support small businesses and their employees for a short period to try and ensure that those businesses didn't go bankrupt.
    I don't think size of the business has anything to do with it. Not many companies have the cash flow to survive two months without work.


 

 

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