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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    The worst part is that Dirty Leeds players have taken the moral high ground by taking less wages to pay their non playing staff.

    Why can’t ours follow their example?


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    I think they’ve deferred them as opposed to taking in a cut, also in Leeds case the same as Forest I would say why can’t both these clubs afford to pay the wages of non playing staff without the need for Furlough or wage deferrals


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    Quote Originally Posted by forest_forever_99 View Post
    As a small business owner who has 45 staff and going through this, you cannot just furlough people. You have to get their agreement to furlough, stay at home not working, and take 80% of their average monthly wage over the last year. If they dont agree, you cannot furlough them.

    So the alternatives are, first you continue with full employment and pay, even if there is nothing to do, or second you jointly agree to furlough, or lastly, make them redundant, and pay redundancy.

    So this idea that you can furlough the bomb squad, have them refuse and let them go without consequences is just wrong.
    Yes, I was about to come on and post this. Everyone who has been furloughed recently will have signed an amendment to their employment contract (or similar) prior to it happening.

    It wouldn't be in anyone's interest to do this to a Footballer at this level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carvel View Post
    The government have made a set amount of money available, with nothing in the legislation to say certain business can’t take it (as far as I’m aware).

    It wouldn’t have taken too much more thought to tier it based on net profit, employee base, level of impact from closure.
    Incidentally, this is a big difference between your furloughing scheme and other countries' measures. In several countries, money goes only to economic activities hit from closure. Over here, for example, there has been a detailed list of economic sectors that have been funded. It would have been absurd to subsidize supermarket chains, for example, they record record turnovers during the crisis (to the point that most of them over here have been giving extra bonuses to their employees). In other countries the funding is proportional to the hit the economic sector has taken: a closed restaurant does not need the same help as a company with a slightly reduced turnover.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Incidentally, this is a big difference between your furloughing scheme and other countries' measures. In several countries, money goes only to economic activities hit from closure. Over here, for example, there has been a detailed list of economic sectors that have been funded. It would have been absurd to subsidize supermarket chains, for example, they record record turnovers during the crisis (to the point that most of them over here have been giving extra bonuses to their employees). In other countries the funding is proportional to the hit the economic sector has taken: a closed restaurant does not need the same help as a company with a slightly reduced turnover.
    That sounds very sensible.


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    Surely there is no subsidising of supermarket chains recording record sales anywhere, as they won't be furloughing staff even if technically it was a an option?


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    Newport County of League 2 have furloughed their players:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...at_campaign=64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Surely there is no subsidising of supermarket chains recording record sales anywhere, as they won't be furloughing staff even if technically it was a an option?
    Correct. If the supermarkets (or any other company) are busy and turnover is increased they aren't going to furlough staff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Newport County of League 2 have furloughed their players:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...at_campaign=64
    Entirely possible for lower league clubs because their players are going to be earning closer to the £2,500 a month limit (possibly topped up by club). Clubs like Forest who pay their bang average players £20k a month can't get any benefit out of the furlough scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Incidentally, this is a big difference between your furloughing scheme and other countries' measures. In several countries, money goes only to economic activities hit from closure. Over here, for example, there has been a detailed list of economic sectors that have been funded. It would have been absurd to subsidize supermarket chains, for example, they record record turnovers during the crisis (to the point that most of them over here have been giving extra bonuses to their employees). In other countries the funding is proportional to the hit the economic sector has taken: a closed restaurant does not need the same help as a company with a slightly reduced turnover.
    Our supermarkets are hiring thousands of people and some of them are giving out bigger bonuses too. So it's going a similar way.

    I mean are there any examples of where businesses are furloughing staff despite remaining active or even thriving during the pandemic out of interest? I'd have thought it was something that wouldn't even need stipulating as part of the scheme as it kinda takes care of itself.

    Unless of course in those countries, shops were wanting to close to protect the welfare of themselves and their staff perhaps but the government deem it essential they do remain open.


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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Over the pond the leagues are talking about running their next seasons with empty stadiums. It seems like this year is disrupted, next year will be the main risk of financial issues. It seems players from all sports are going to have to take major pay cuts, which for me needed to happen anyways.


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    There's a way to make that work. Has to be. Top flight teams rely on tv revenue rather than gate receipts. The current PL deal lasts until 2022.

    Redistributing the wealth so all clubs are ok, is the hard part. But there's plenty of money there.


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    Having teams play In an empty stadium on TV is definitely going to reduce viewership, it is pretty shit to watch with no atmosphere. If that happens the TV revenue is going to plummet as well as no gate receipts. I would think most of these furloughs are going to become layoffs.

    What has always bothered me is player wages. I wish they’d change the way media talks about weekly wage and change it to annual instead, people will react differently to it. 25k/week sounds a lot better than 1.3 million/year.

    This is going to be a big shock to the whole financial structure if it pans out like it’s looking.


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    How will they play whilst maintaining the 2m social distancing rules? Hoof-ball?

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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    How will they play whilst maintaining the 2m social distancing rules? Hoof-ball?
    You seen our marking at corners?

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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    How will they play whilst maintaining the 2m social distancing rules? Hoof-ball?
    This is the actual argument my dad uses against me when I said play in closed stadiums, his other argument against closed stadiums is that it's used as a punishment by uefa etc for fans being twats. Whilst I can see his side, surely it's an exception people will have to deal with?

    I think he mainly looks at it from a legal side and what could come about from it (other sports, workplaces)


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    How will they play whilst maintaining the 2m social distancing rules? Hoof-ball?
    I think it was Talksport where someone made an excellent point about supporters turning up anyway.

    People congregating in big groups and standing outside the ground, in pubs at other peoples homes. I'm sure the pubs would remain shut but you can well imagine big gatherings at houses and I don't think it's ridiculous to think you'd get a collection of people outside football grounds and all.

    Not to mention as you highlighted the players and staff.

    I'm struggling to see how this season will end up complete without it being a huge knock on effect on a number of tournaments in the future at best.


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    Watching 'Sunderland till I die'.

    They're in the Football League Trophy final and know there will be a demand for Wembley tickets. In a marketing meeting where the brains at the clubs are discussing "getting their ducks in a row", one guy suggests giving priority to those fans who have been to matches in the earlier rounds of the competition.

    Head marketing guy (chap who seems to have walked straight in after an early sacking from The Apprentice) actually laughs. Says something along the lines of....love that but the club have to cash in, and they should get fans to pay £20 for ticket priority.

    The reason they have to fleece the fans, keeps coming up throughout the series - they are a div three club with a 35 million pound playing staff wage bill.

    Sums football up quite well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Watching 'Sunderland till I die'.

    They're in the Football League Trophy final and know there will be a demand for Wembley tickets. In a marketing meeting where the brains at the clubs are discussing "getting their ducks in a row", one guy suggests giving priority to those fans who have been to matches in the earlier rounds of the competition.

    Head marketing guy (chap who seems to have walked straight in after an early sacking from The Apprentice) actually laughs. Says something along the lines of....love that but the club have to cash in, and they should get fans to pay £20 for ticket priority.

    The reason they have to fleece the fans, keeps coming up throughout the series - they are a div three club with a 35 million pound playing staff wage bill.

    Sums football up quite well.
    I wished the fleas of a thousand camels on their collective ball bags from that moment on.


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    Jack Ross seems to have his screwed on. Gives the odd interview but has clearly not allowed the cameras into his dressing room or team meetings.

    The owner and the marketing bloke go on about that wage bill when they first walk through the door. Club has been a "shit show", and their big challenge will be sorting out the finances.

    January transfer deadline day, manager Ross tells the owner not to offer over, I think, 1.25 million for Will Grigg as he tells him that in his experienced football opinion he isn't worth it.

    With minutes to go before the window 'slams shut', owner buys Will Grigg for a fee rising to 4 million. That'll sort out the shit show.

    Cheesy Marketing Director guy, after pushing through his £20 fee for Wembley ticket priority piss take says the day at Wembley is huge because it'll pay for half of Will Grigg.

    Quick check on Wiki, Will Grigg has scored 5 goals in 38 appearances for Sunderland.

    Lol


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    Nobody ever comes out of these football club documentaries looking good. I'd wonder why they do it, but it's pretty obvious. It pays for an 8th of Will Grigg who manager didn't want.


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    This still stinks.


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    Default Re: NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Watching 'Sunderland till I die'.

    They're in the Football League Trophy final and know there will be a demand for Wembley tickets. In a marketing meeting where the brains at the clubs are discussing "getting their ducks in a row", one guy suggests giving priority to those fans who have been to matches in the earlier rounds of the competition.

    Head marketing guy (chap who seems to have walked straight in after an early sacking from The Apprentice) actually laughs. Says something along the lines of....love that but the club have to cash in, and they should get fans to pay £20 for ticket priority.

    The reason they have to fleece the fans, keeps coming up throughout the series - they are a div three club with a 35 million pound playing staff wage bill.

    Sums football up quite well.
    It certainly does Frarrncis.


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    They pulled in their lowest attendance of the season at the Stadium of Shite in the play off semi final.

    Bigwig, seeing the low ticket sales, said it felt like it was the first that whatever he tried hadn't worked.

    Makes no connection at all with the fact he thought it prudent only a month earlier to charge Sunderland fans who already can't afford a season ticket, twenty quid each for absolutely nothing.


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    Absolute ****.

    Why didn't the supporters kick up a right stink? But that instance there is exactly what every football agent is trying to do week in week out regarding fleecing everyone off bar their clients and themselves.

    And they wonder why folks are going off the game.


 

 

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