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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini View Post
    Don’t understand the mentality of those who feel they have to qualify their anti-Tory/anti-Brexit credentials before they can bring themselves to wish him the best. Every second post on Twitter at the moment begins with something along the lines of: “I don’t agree with his politics, but...”

    Very unpleasant.

    Yep, it's desperate, the offshoot of tribal politics in the UK. I know people who have only ever voted for one political party all their lives...I meanhow? Things change. Theres been some right tossers and dodgy dealing amongst all of them. It's like how you put a poxy 'X' in a box every 4 years or so is supposed to define your very life. How sad. Just feel desperately sorry for Boris and anyone else who is suffering from this damn virus now, really don't care or think about what their politics are, thats not going to qualify how I feel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lard View Post
    If he goes on a ventilator then he has 48 hours maximum to pull through otherwise that's it.

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    Aye. We know all to well that folk don't get the damage this can do. Then there's the after effects. Here's a piece on ventilators which brings home the harsh realities of it.......



    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...=1586226166399

    Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe. And many of the patients who continue to live can't be taken off the mechanical breathing machines.

    "It's very concerning to see how many patients who require ventilation do not make it out of the hospital," says Dr. Tiffany Osborn, a critical care specialist at Washington University in St. Louis who has been caring for coronavirus patients at Barnes-Jewish Hospital. That concern is echoed by Negin Hajizadeh, a pulmonary critical care doctor at the Donald and Barbara Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell on Long Island, N.Y.

    "We have had several patients between the hospitals across the Northwell system that have come off the breathing machine," Hajizadeh says. "But the vast majority are unable to."

    The largest study so far to look at mortality among coronavirus patients on ventilators was done by the Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre in London. It found that among 98 ventilated patients in the U.K., just 33 were discharged alive.

    The numbers from a study of Wuhan, China, are even grimmer. Only 3 of 22 ventilated patients survived.

    And a study of 18 ventilated patients in Washington state found that nine were still alive when the study ended, but only six had recovered enough to breathe on their own.


    All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die.

    "We're not sure how much help ventilators are going to be," Osborn says. "They may help keep somebody alive in the short term. We're not sure if it's going to help keep someone alive in the long term." Patients need a ventilator when their lungs can no longer deliver enough oxygen to keep the body going. And it's an extreme measure, Osborn says.

    "We give sedation so the person goes to sleep. Then we provide a paralytic that stops their breathing," she says. Next, a long plastic tube is inserted through the trachea and vocal cords. That allows a machine to deliver small puffs of highly oxygenated air to the lungs.

    Unfortunately, Osborn says, "the ventilator itself can do damage to the lung tissue based on how much pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs." And coronavirus patients often need dangerously high levels of both pressure and oxygen because their lungs have so much inflammation.

    Another risk from being on a ventilator is that the tube carrying air and extra oxygen to the lungs provides a pathway for dangerous germs. Many ventilated patients get a new lung infection, a problem known as ventilator-associated pneumonia.

    Ventilators have been seen as critical to treating coronavirus patients because the devices are very successful when used to treat common forms of pneumonia, says Hajizadeh.

    A ventilator alongside medical supplies and a stretcher is displayed before a news conference at the Javits Center in New York City on March 23.
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    "We treat patients for several days, and then we get the antibiotics into the body and the patient recovers," she says. "Unfortunately with this COVID-associated pneumonia, there are no treatments that we know work for sure."

    Also, the coronavirus often does a lot more damage to a person's lungs than pneumonia associated with the flu. "There is fluid and other toxic chemicals, cytokines we call them, raging throughout the lung tissue," she says.

    In some patients, the damage is so bad that even ventilation won't help. So doctors have sometimes tried an even more extreme measure called extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO, which delivers oxygen directly to a patient's bloodstream. But this is still a stopgap measure. "Remember, ECMO too is a life-supporting treatment," Hajizadeh says. "So it's a bridge while we are allowing the lung to heal itself from a pneumonia."

    But lungs don't always heal, no matter how much help they get from a machine, Osborn says. So people need to be diligent about social distancing to keep the virus from spreading.

    "I know that at times it gets frustrating," she says. "But it's really important not only for yourself and your family but for the other people you care about to shelter in place until this is over." Osborn should know. When she's not caring for patients at the hospital, she's living in a camper to avoid putting her family at risk.




    TL: DR - If you get to the point where you're on a ventilator, you've only a slim chance of surviving and then with lasting damage anyway.



    The only way to ensure folk live & aren't damaged for life, is to not catch it or pass it on.

    Someone needs to lock down the idiots, hard, and tell the country straight that there's at least months to endure to beat it. It's time for everyone to do our duty to the country.

    Good luck Boris. Fingers crossed for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Surely the rules are different for a VIP?
    Yes they probably will be, He is one of the most important people in this country so he will be getting the best care possible.
    And rightly so imho.
    Next in line would be healthy young people and so on .
    You would want to save everyone but if difficult decisions are to be made then priority for people with no or little health problems and the younger they are get the nod.
    Prisoners should be back of the queue imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini View Post
    Don’t understand the mentality of those who feel they have to qualify their anti-Tory/anti-Brexit credentials before they can bring themselves to wish him the best. Every second post on Twitter at the moment begins with something along the lines of: “I don’t agree with his politics, but...”

    Very unpleasant.
    Hardly unpleasant. If people are wishing him well then accept it is a good thing. Save the bile for the people who aren’t. It is a fairly natural thing to say. If someone you dislike is ill you will often say ‘I don’t like the guy but...’ I don’t see the difference here really, it is just a thing people say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini View Post
    Don’t understand the mentality of those who feel they have to qualify their anti-Tory/anti-Brexit credentials before they can bring themselves to wish him the best. Every second post on Twitter at the moment begins with something along the lines of: “I don’t agree with his politics, but...”

    Very unpleasant.
    Without such qualification any well wishing by people who disagree with his politics would seem hypocritical.
    People wishing him well despite being detractors of his politics are actually demonstrating their humanity by recognising behind the public, political figure there is a real person.


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    I wish him as human being recovery just as you do anybody who is taken into intensive care. His politics doesn't come into it.

    We are also all partly desensitised to reports of suffering of others in the news, otherwise we'd all go through our whole lives clinically depressed.

    As the PM, we need him to recover. The country is looking to the leader to lead us to beating something that is taking lives. If instead it takes his life, we're in a bad very place.

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    Totally agree with Gobias and the captain.
    I found that just another way for Itsy to have another dig at remainers.
    Quite distasteful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini View Post
    Don’t understand the mentality of those who feel they have to qualify their anti-Tory/anti-Brexit credentials before they can bring themselves to wish him the best. Every second post on Twitter at the moment begins with something along the lines of: “I don’t agree with his politics, but...”

    Very unpleasant.
    I think it's because we're so used to seeing partizan support for people or principles. I saw loads of posts just before the general election comdemning Corbyn for being anti-semetic and yet ignoring Johnson's racist and homophobic comments from his time in journalism. And vice versa.

    So by offering sympathy for a particular person, but qualifying it by saying you don't agree with their policies, is totally understandable. In other words, it's a verbal truce but with a caveat.

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    Let's hope time isn't taken up by reporters firing questions at the doctors looking after him. He's, not the only patient they've got.
    Like I said before I wish him and everyone else who is ill the best.
    I never grasped the mass sobbing in the streets over princess Di. People who'd never met her and were never likely to meet her openly crying in the street. Strange.

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    Politics, schmolitics. Left, Right?

    Her Majesty The Queen knows the score:



    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

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    So we all have to stay at home, no meeting up with friends etc, yet it's been suggested that shutting schools doesn't make any difference as far as spreading the virus is concerned?

    This is just bullshit, which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redad View Post
    So we all have to stay at home, no meeting up with friends etc, yet it's been suggested that shutting schools doesn't make any difference as far as spreading the virus is concerned?

    This is just bullshit, which is it?

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    Who suggested that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    Totally agree with Gobias and the captain.
    I found that just another way for Itsy to have another dig at remainers.
    Quite distasteful.
    Add another one agreeing with that.
    I have people I consider friends, but we don't see eye-to-eye politically. Not going to hate them over it. In fact, having friends with different views on things is great, because it expands my own world view and I don't get stuck in a single train of thought/echo chamber situation.
    Same with Johnson - don't agree with many of his actions politically (not all though), but don't have any malice towards the person behind the politics. How could I? I don't know him...
    I do know that I don't want anyone to die from this horrible plague. Not even the small handful of people I genuinely hate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Add another one agreeing with that.
    I have people I consider friends, but we don't see eye-to-eye politically. Not going to hate them over it. In fact, having friends with different views on things is great, because it expands my own world view and I don't get stuck in a single train of thought/echo chamber situation.
    Same with Johnson - don't agree with many of his actions politically (not all though), but don't have any malice towards the person behind the politics. How could I? I don't know him...
    I do know that I don't want anyone to die from this horrible plague. Not even the small handful of people I genuinely hate.
    I'm still feeling fine thanks, so up yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redad View Post
    So we all have to stay at home, no meeting up with friends etc, yet it's been suggested that shutting schools doesn't make any difference as far as spreading the virus is concerned?

    This is just bullshit, which is it?

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    It's fair to say the government got its strategy wrong right from the start. This 'herd immunity' approach was not correct. I'm not sure where that came from (Dominic Cummings?) but maybe there was a desire to prioritise the economy at first. So Boris was on This Morning telling people to 'take it on the chin' and publicly announcing he had been visiting hospitals and shaking hands with Covid-19 patients. Despite us having the experience of seeing how other countries have dealt with the virus (some successful, some not) we were still very slow to close things down. We also refused to take action in ordering PPE for the NHS staff, respirators for the hospitals (which had already been underfunded for a decade) and testing kits, largely because this would have compromised the ethos that 'we don't need the EU'.
    Now we're seeing the consequences. And things will get worse before they get better.
    Someone at some point in the future will pay the price for this strategy and advice because it was totally wrong and could have a far-reaching impact on the UK. I guess that's Dominic Cummings but Chris Whitty must surely be culpable as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redad View Post
    So we all have to stay at home, no meeting up with friends etc, yet it's been suggested that shutting schools doesn't make any difference as far as spreading the virus is concerned?

    This is just bullshit, which is it?

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    I think that schools are only open for children of key workers so as not to take those key workers away from their key work to look after their kids


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    I'm still feeling fine thanks, so up yours.
    I'm sending an infected posse to hunt you down and cough on you before they get dragged off to the ICU.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    Maybe it's because some of those who do oppose his views are wanting him to die.

    I hope he and everyone that gets it recovers
    Only some of the most aggressively tribal actively want him to die, and you're talking hundreds in the country, not hundreds of thousands.

    But there's also a sizable minority that struggles to find any sympathy for a man who shat upon everyone else to get what he wants throughout his career which culminated in last month making a decision to send hundreds of thousands to their death and then joking about it, calling it project last gasp.

    The medias attempts to create an atmosphere of preemptive national mourning is falling flat when half the country are of the 'You reap what you sow' mindset. Doesn't make them bad people, they've just got bigger problems to worry about, and some of those problems have been caused by Johnson and his predecessors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    I think that schools are only open for children of key workers so as not to take those key workers away from their key work to look after their kids
    We're shut for easter as our key parents and carers already had plans in place. We're opening again after Easter, with possibly a lot more "students" who don't actually need to be in. We do have a few Nurses and Doctors dependants that need support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    I think that schools are only open for children of key workers so as not to take those key workers away from their key work to look after their kids
    BBC News - Coronavirus: Scientists question school closures impact
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52180783


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    We're shut for easter as our key parents and carers already had plans in place. We're opening again after Easter, with possibly a lot more "students" who don't actually need to be in. We do have a few Nurses and Doctors dependants that need support.
    don't the parents have to justify that they are key workers?


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    I posted this before but I think it got lost in the server switch.
    My mates daughter works at a nursery which is now closed. He usually looks after her kids when she's at work. He's had serious health problems, heart and all that goes with it.
    Because her nursery is part of the NHS, she's been told she has to go back to work and look after the doctors and nurses kids. This means her dealing with front line staff and my mate doing child care again.
    Someone has to do it but it's a bit Catch 22.

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    Michael Gove says Johnson is not on a ventilator.

    It's not like Gove to tell lies or bend the truth.


 

 

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