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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    I find when I make jokes about a fabric my wife is wearing, it never ends well.

    You're correct Otis, but it is insane that Labour are still making contentious fringe issues their main platform.
    I don't disagree with you LJR, other than I suppose Nandy felt obliged to deal with that question in what appeared to be a Q-and-A session. I suspect dandruff woman was trying to set a trap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    I don't disagree with you LJR, other than I suppose Nandy felt obliged to deal with that question in what appeared to be a Q-and-A session. I suspect dandruff woman was trying to set a trap.
    I believe the woman asking the question is the Labour voting feminist activist Posie Parker, who is opposed to including Trans-women in the feminist cause.

    All politicians get these loaded questions, but because of the influence of Momentum now, issues like Trans Rights are being put on the front burner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    All politicians get these loaded questions, but because of the influence of Momentum now, issues like Trans Rights are being put on the front burner.
    Thankfully, Ms Nandy is too pragmatic and much too far to the right for Momentum, making her a credible candidate for the rest of the more-moderate membership to vote for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Nandy in her own words, you decided?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcULPSew2kU
    Nandy doesn't give simple answers to non-simple issues and some people just don't like that. Personally I think she's a splendid speaker and one of only a small few shining lights in Labour at the moment. We need more like her.

    That said, I'm not sure she'll translate to votes because she's too softly spoken, not "leadery" enough.

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    I think she needs something to really rally against. I like her and, at the time if writing would be happy for her to be my PM

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    Guardian today:
    "The Tories have evolved as the left plays the same old tune."
    Owen Jones

    Owen Jones has been Red Pilled!

    Granted he gives his usual whines and whinges in the text, but finally he has woken up to what many us have been saying for a few years now.

    Now Mr Jones went to University College Oxford which is better than just "a world renowned university"....so they say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Guardian today:
    "The Tories have evolved as the left plays the same old tune."
    Owen Jones

    Owen Jones has been Red Pilled!

    Granted he gives his usual whines and whinges in the text, but finally he has woken up to what many us have been saying for a few years now.

    Now Mr Jones went to University College Oxford which is better than just "a world renowned university"....so they they?
    Don't count your chickens just yet.

    The Tories evolved under Boris to deliver a strategy that essentially parked their tanks on Labours lawn by muting the 'investment' call from Labour. But that's an election strategy, not a strategy for government yet, and you actually have to deliver that now to keep those voters, especially with Brexit in the rear view mirror. People want improvement for their opportunities and communities that was promised, and you're going to have to deliver it in a world of ballooning public and corporate debt, protectionism and quite possibly the return of inflation.

    People are fickle beasts but besides all the gloating and worry depending on what side you're on, most people don't care what the colour of the government is as long as their lives are getting better. I hope for everyone's sake your side can deliver it in ways that I don't think they'll be able to. I'd love to be wrong.


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    I don't disagree MaxiRob, this term is Bojo's to lose, he has to deliver on the important issues of jobs, health and transport. However whilst Labour are still prating about over a totally fabricated or overblown issues like Trans Rights or Palestine, it just gives the Tories free rein to do what they like.

    Yes Labour should raise issues like the NHS and Rail but would they actually do anything different to the Tories if in power? Bojo may well renationalise Rail and chuck more dosh at the NHS if he thinks it's a vote winner.

    Attacking the Tories with rhetoric from a 19th C socialist manifesto is pissing against the wind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Guardian today:
    "The Tories have evolved as the left plays the same old tune."
    Owen Jones

    Owen Jones has been Red Pilled!

    Granted he gives his usual whines and whinges in the text, but finally he has woken up to what many us have been saying for a few years now.

    Now Mr Jones went to University College Oxford which is better than just "a world renowned university"....so they they?
    This would be a surprise if it wasnt Owen Jones. The words "Owen Jones" and "Integrity" are diametrically opposed. Moral cowards like him make me want to vomit.

    He is an attention seeking adolescent who will claim he believes anything as long as he feels the leftie tribe will like him and let him cling to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    This would be a surprise if it wasnt Owen Jones. The words "Owen Jones" and "Integrity" are diametrically opposed. Moral cowards like him make me want to vomit.

    He is an attention seeking adolescent who will claim he believes anything as long as he feels the leftie tribe will like him and let him cling to them.
    Meh, he's not that bad. He definitely thinks he's smarter than he is but he's relatively harmless. Bit like me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Meh, he's not that bad. He definitely thinks he's smarter than he is...
    He ought to join this forum, he’d be in good company!

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

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    Trans rights, gender fluid, non-binary....

    And people wonder why millions of ordinary working class voters voted Conservative for the first time.

    Labour doesn’t represent the working class any more. It’s like a lunatic left-wing fringe group.

    That’s not healthy for the country in my opinion.

    Momentum should fuck off and go it alone with nutters like Corbyn and RLB and all their super-woke champagne socialist Islington bubble. Let Labour get back to representing the actual hard-working people of this country and their real interests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Trans rights, gender fluid, non-binary....

    And people wonder why millions of ordinary working class voters voted Conservative for the first time.

    Labour doesn’t represent the working class any more. It’s like a lunatic left-wing fringe group.

    That’s not healthy for the country in my opinion.

    Momentum should fuck off and go it alone with nutters like Corbyn and RLB and all their super-woke champagne socialist Islington bubble. Let Labour get back to representing the actual hard-working people of this country and their real interests.


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    totally agree, sadly I still don't think most of the labour party have figured this out.


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    Out of interest, is it not possible to consider both trans rights as well as the needs of the working class?

    Trans people are people. Some of them are working class.

    Jaws would drop if you replaced "trans" with "women's" or black". We're all people, we all deserve the same rights regardless of our lifestyle or political choices.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Out of interest, is it not possible to consider both trans rights as well as the needs of the working class?

    Trans people are people. Some of them are working class.

    Jaws would drop if you replaced "trans" with "women's" or black". We're all people, we all deserve the same rights regardless of our lifestyle or political choices.
    Here here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Trans rights, gender fluid, non-binary....

    And people wonder why millions of ordinary working class voters voted Conservative for the first time.

    Labour doesn’t represent the working class any more. It’s like a lunatic left-wing fringe group.

    That’s not healthy for the country in my opinion.

    Momentum should fuck off and go it alone with nutters like Corbyn and RLB and all their super-woke champagne socialist Islington bubble. Let Labour get back to representing the actual hard-working people of this country and their real interests.


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    And this is exactly why Tony Blair was such a successful leader of Labour he invested massively in education and its infrastructure which expanded opportunity for the masses. NHS infrastructure was also improved beyond recognition. Both of these happened after 17 years of minimal spending under the Tories. If the current lot try to match Labour’s spending to retain their new red wall voters without increasing taxes on their traditional supporters they will bankrupt the country - I’m not sure Johnson cares about that as the departure of Javid showed. He is only interested in buying votes and, if Labour can elect a leader that has a grasp on the economy and does not dwell on any of the looney stuff (probably stoked by Tory online trolls), there is every chance that they can get back in power in 2024.


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    Quote Originally Posted by redforest View Post
    And this is exactly why Tony Blair was such a successful leader of Labour he invested massively in education and its infrastructure which expanded opportunity for the masses. NHS infrastructure was also improved beyond recognition. Both of these happened after 17 years of minimal spending under the Tories. If the current lot try to match Labour’s spending to retain their new red wall voters without increasing taxes on their traditional supporters they will bankrupt the country - I’m not sure Johnson cares about that as the departure of Javid showed. He is only interested in buying votes and, if Labour can elect a leader that has a grasp on the economy and does not dwell on any of the looney stuff (probably stoked by Tory online trolls), there is every chance that they can get back in power in 2024.
    They will need a miracle to get in power in 2024.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Out of interest, is it not possible to consider both trans rights as well as the needs of the working class?

    Trans people are people. Some of them are working class.

    Jaws would drop if you replaced "trans" with "women's" or black". We're all people, we all deserve the same rights regardless of our lifestyle or political choices.
    Using women's rights and race rights as building blocks for the Trans issue is problematic, because gender issues have been clouded by intersectional politics and extremist claims on gender, many of which are unscientific and unaccepted by both many Feminists and many Transgender people.

    You also have to deal with the very thorny issue of men using female spaces solely based on the claim that they identify as a woman.

    If Labour want to make that a front burner issue, then good luck to them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by redtreeant View Post
    They will need a miracle to get in power in 2024.
    Not really. As I've said before, this isn't your standard 80 seat majority. Ordinarily, the job of an opposition is to win seats from the government's heartlands. 2025 (not 2024) will be the first time in history that a general election is decided by whether the opposition can win in its own heartlands.


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    I remember the season after we went down in '93, the most popular bit of Forest gear, aside from the home kit, was the T-shirt that said ON LOAN TO DIV 1 (or whatever the Championship was called back then).

    Bolsover, Wrexham, Sedgefield etc. are all on loan to the Tories. The big question is whether Labour members appoint Frank Clark or David Platt.


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    This is dragging on a bit now, best way to resolve it is by Nandy & Long Bailey having a wet t-shirt competition


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    Nah, needs to be more like the female wrestling I was whatsapped the other day. It was hard to follow but it seemed like whoever fingered the opposition for a 3 count got first dibs on the strap.on


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    This is dragging on a bit now, best way to resolve it is by Nandy & Long Bailey having a wet t-shirt competition
    As long as Emily Thornbury and dianne Abbott don't join in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by redtreeant View Post
    As long as Emily Thornbury and dianne Abbott don't join in.
    How about a touch of Kier for a perfect threesome


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    This is dragging on a bit now, best way to resolve it is by Nandy & Long Bailey having a wet t-shirt competition
    I don’t mind a bit of randy Nandy.

    Anyway chauvinism aside why can’t the deputy just come from the leadership hopefuls. A bit like the champions league teams dropping in to the europa league. Stamer / randy Nandy would be a good leader / deputy.


 

 

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