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    Quote Originally Posted by Red bandit View Post
    The Germans devised an effective way of dealing with this during the war.

    Perhaps you feel that we should replicate it.
    Now we're talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bungle View Post

    For others, turning to racist language is a quick way to cause maximum offence. Again though, I would hope they don’t actually think these things.



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    I think I agree with this. We have to be careful about using one blunt instrument to deal with all things racist.

    There’s name calling, racial abuse and then actual racism (refusing to serve, not giving someone a job etc). In the past few years we seem to treat anything that even remotely mentions someone’s ethnicity or skin Colour as something approaching nazism.

    In no way defending this lad. Think he needs banning for a decent while and some sort of public embarrassment/education.

    But it’s like how the media treats someone who made a mistake with a teenager and an actual nonce child abuser the same. Both wrong but require different punishments.

    We lose nuance and we soon become that which we’re trying to destroy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red bandit View Post
    The Germans devised an effective way of dealing with this during the war.

    Perhaps you feel that we should replicate it.
    Is this the first instance of Godwin's law in action on LTLF? If so, have a donut.

    I just personally don't have any time for racists.


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    If we allow this to continue where will it go next?

    There'll be songs about female genatalia being prevalent in Nottingham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carvel View Post
    I think I agree with this. We have to be careful about using one blunt instrument to deal with all things racist.

    There’s name calling, racial abuse and then actual racism (refusing to serve, not giving someone a job etc). In the past few years we seem to treat anything that even remotely mentions someone’s ethnicity or skin Colour as something approaching nazism.

    In no way defending this lad. Think he needs banning for a decent while and some sort of public embarrassment/education.

    But it’s like how the media treats someone who made a mistake with a teenager and an actual nonce child abuser the same. Both wrong but require different punishments.

    We lose nuance and we soon become that which we’re trying to destroy.
    I agree.

    Lards idea is the best, get the guy down to the academy or something to have a kick about with with a few of our black players and have a chat with a few of them.
    It would be far more effective than pouring salt onto salt.

    What happened to rehabilitation anyway? Lifetime ban for one error and probably intoxicated?
    I find this a strange outlook from a society that supposed to be more tolerant and diverse. Or does that only work if you are in a minority group?
    Bring back the gallows and capital punishment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Clarks Tash View Post
    Is this the first instance of Godwin's law in action on LTLF? If so, have a donut.

    I just personally don't have any time for racists.
    I refer the honourable poster to our esteemed German based moderator on the subject of Godwin’s law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Clarks Tash View Post
    Is this the first instance of Godwin's law in action on LTLF? If so, have a donut.

    I just personally don't have any time for racists.
    In this thread maybe, but not on the site.


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    Let him back in if he can provide evidence of having paid for and completed diversity training - that'll put anyone off doing it again

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    I'm a white, church of England christian **** and I take no prisoners for bad manners or lack of respect whom ever they are in the human race.

    You can call me Susan if I'm not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red bandit View Post
    I refer the honourable poster to our esteemed German based moderator on the subject of Godwin’s law.
    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Red Till Dead View Post
    In this thread maybe, but not on the site.


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    Just ban him.

    They wouldn't exactly be throwing him in jail and throwing away the key by saying you're not welcome to watch us play football any more. It's a reasonable response. Probably the only reasonable response. Any community club would do the same. He'll find something else to do.

    Football clubs aren't going to tackle racism by sending fans to the racism equivalent of a speed awareness course, then putting them back behind the goal.

    Great sentiment, the idea that football should start leading the way in tackling society's problems. But football is behind most of society in many ways, maybe try getting up to speed first.

    And if we're talking about a deterrent, that's the best one the club can issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Just ban him.

    They wouldn't exactly be throwing him in jail and throwing away the key by saying you're not welcome to watch us play football any more. It's a reasonable response. Probably the only reasonable response. Any community club would do the same. He'll find something else to do.

    Football clubs aren't going to tackle racism by sending fans to the racism equivalent of a speed awareness course, then putting them back behind the goal.

    Great sentiment, the idea that football should start leading the way in tackling society's problems. But football is behind most of society in many ways, maybe try getting up to speed first.

    And if we're talking about a deterrent, that's the best one the club can issue.
    I disagree Francis, The effect a course could have on him could be massive , It could spread to others he mixes with and through one hour meeting would hopefully effect all his life.
    Just banning someone gives them a badge of honour most of the time.
    "I am banned from Forest"
    " I am a bit of a Fucker"
    " I am a lad let's laugh "
    Rehabilitation would have him crying with shame, I would be able to sort him out in a few hours through talking alone .
    Obviously it goes without saying he gets one chance only.

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    Meanwhile other people don't go to football because they associate this behaviour with football crowds. And when somebody is caught banged to rights, they still aren't turfed out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carvel View Post
    I think I agree with this. We have to be careful about using one blunt instrument to deal with all things racist.

    There’s name calling, racial abuse and then actual racism (refusing to serve, not giving someone a job etc). In the past few years we seem to treat anything that even remotely mentions someone’s ethnicity or skin Colour as something approaching nazism.

    In no way defending this lad. Think he needs banning for a decent while and some sort of public embarrassment/education.

    But it’s like how the media treats someone who made a mistake with a teenager and an actual nonce child abuser the same. Both wrong but require different punishments.

    We lose nuance and we soon become that which we’re trying to destroy.
    Totally agree. He needs a decent length ban but lifetime would be extreme if he doesn't have any previous history.

    Giving him the opportunity to be educated if he's a young lad would be a better way to go which would hopefully not only benefit him but possibly have a positive benefit on his own circle if they were set the same idiot setting as him.

    If he refuses the opportunity or doesn't amend his thinking then we can consign him to the fuck off and don't come back forever bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    I agree.

    Lards idea is the best, get the guy down to the academy or something to have a kick about with with a few of our black players and have a chat with a few of them.
    It would be far more effective than pouring salt onto salt.

    What happened to rehabilitation anyway? Lifetime ban for one error and probably intoxicated?
    I find this a strange outlook from a society that supposed to be more tolerant and diverse. Or does that only work if you are in a minority group?
    Bring back the gallows and capital punishment.
    I'd love to have a chat and a kick around with some of our players. Not sure about having to stoop to dishing out racial abuse before I'm granted that privilege though.

    How much does it cost just to be a ball boy again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    I’m looking forward to the day when some paranoid documentary about the rise of the far right or racism in football uses ltlf as an example of “online Nazis” .



    -lease don’t stop btw. I find it amusing.

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    Sieg Heil !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    I’m looking forward to the day when some paranoid documentary about the rise of the far right or racism in football uses ltlf as an example of “online Nazis” .



    -lease don’t stop btw. I find it amusing.
    Taking the piss out of Hitler is something Germans do rather well to belittle the Nazi movement - such as you can do, anyway, and to use as a response to those of the modern far-right who glorify them.

    I’ve posted before, a superb example of this is the Timur Vermes novel, Er ist wieder da! (Look who’s back!) which was also made into a film in 2015, foretelling the return of Hitler to modern Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_Who%27s_Back


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Taking the piss out of Hitler is something Germans do rather well to belittle the Nazi movement - such as you can do, anyway, and to use as a response to those of the modern far-right who glorify them.

    I’ve posted before, a superb example of this is the Timur Vermes novel, Er ist wieder da! (Look who’s back!) which was also made into a film in 2015, foretelling the return of Hitler to modern Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_Who%27s_Back
    Excellent film.


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    [QUOTE=Bryn Gunn;3087137] ... get the guy down to the academy or something to have a kick about with with a few of our black players and have a chat with a few of them.
    It would be far more effective than pouring salt onto salt. … QUOTE]

    I recognize the good-natured intentions in this proposition. I will also call attention to the demands that makes on the black players who would be required to allot their time, effort and equanimity to this scenario which is not of their making. I have personal experience with how burdensome that can become over time. Having to assuage behaviour we all know is wrong can defuse situations, yes, but the onus ought to skew towards the perpetrator/s, rather than the targets of derision.

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    Hitler was a strong leader who did some good stuff but I will concede that he did go off the rails slightly & probably damaged his reputation a touch with all that genocide & world domination stuff


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Hitler was a strong leader who did some good stuff but I will concede that he did go off the rails slightly & probably damaged his reputation a touch with all that genocide & world domination stuff
    So you’re saying he was strong, but not stable?

    I think I see where he went wrong...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    So you’re saying he was strong, but not stable?

    I think I see where he went wrong...
    He certainly looked to improve from a position of strength.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Hitler was a strong leader who did some good stuff but I will concede that he did go off the rails slightly & probably damaged his reputation a touch with all that genocide & world domination stuff
    The early stuff was really good. "New Autobahns", "Full Employment" and "Two fingers up to Versailles" are both classics which have stood the test of time, but the drugs and the groupies took their toll and his later work was quite rightly panned by the critics.


 

 

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