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    This took it's time, interestingly the officer involved has now been charged with murder. A first of its kind.

    Police officer is charged over death of ex-footballer Dalian Atkinson* https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-masthead

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    Fuckinghell, that's brightened the day up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notcher View Post
    This took it's time, interestingly the officer involved has now been charged with murder. A first of its kind.

    Police officer is charged over death of ex-footballer Dalian Atkinson* https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-masthead

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    I would like to see the background of this case.
    I am guessing the police were doing there job and felt the need to taser him .
    Murder ?
    All seems very strange .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lard View Post
    I would like to see the background of this case.
    I am guessing the police were doing there job and felt the need to taser him .
    Murder ?
    All seems very strange .

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    I suppose it depends on whether the threat posed was justifiable or not to deploy tasers. It sounds like he was given several rounds too.

    Obviously the CPS believe there is enough evidence to charge one of the officers, like you I don't know any of the detail so it will be interesting to hear the facts. It will be a landmark case if he's found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notcher View Post
    I suppose it depends on whether the threat posed was justifiable or not to deploy tasers. It sounds like he was given several rounds too.

    Obviously the CPS believe there is enough evidence to charge one of the officers, like you I don't know any of the detail so it will be interesting to hear the facts. It will be a landmark case if he's found guilty.

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    You would think the police felt threatened enough to deploy it, Murder is bollocks I don't buy that one bit.
    Possible manslaughter but even then I am struggling with it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by lard View Post
    You would think the police felt threatened enough to deploy it, Murder is bollocks I don't buy that one bit.
    Possible manslaughter but even then I am struggling with it.




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    Christ knows. It's highly unusual for a murder charge to be thrown at them so who the circumstances will be interesting but all very strange.

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    Race card being played here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Race cad being played here?
    Possibly, You would have to say the police would have attended the job with no intention of killing anyone, If they fear for their safety or the safety of others they should taser the threat.
    If the person dies as a result then so be it ( 99% of folk will be fine)
    Now I am pretty sure police officers wouldn't just pull the trigger straight away without making a judgement call.
    If he was coming at them or losing his shit then I can see why they did it.
    Let's face it if he was calm unarmed and posed no threat then no taser would have been used.
    But I am sure the truth will come out in court.

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    Bloody ridiculous decision.

    If we are going to arm officers with tasers, then you have to expect some collateral damage, it really can't be avoided as no officer knows the underlying physical condition of any person they are trying to restrain/arrest.

    We happily accept approximately 2000 deaths a year on our roads as accidents, where very few of them reach the courts with such high charges, so how on earth has murder been sought against the officer going about his duty.

    It was Atkinson who was in the wrong, not the officer and all this will do, regardless of the verdict, is leave the Police wide open to every scumbag being able to sue the Police, which ultimately comes out of taxpayers pockets.

    Unfortunately, the outcome of this case, should a guilty charge be proven is the likelihood that ever more of our officers will be equipped with firearms as the threat of lethal force will be considered safer than tasers.

    World's gone mad.


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    A taser is a weapon that has the potential to kill, and there's plenty of video evidence of police using potential deadly force against innocent or unsuspecting civilians in this country without provocation. If the force have gone as far as to charge one of their own with such a heavy crime, there's clear evidence and reasoning to suggest that the officers in question have overstepped the mark with their actions and now face the consequence of that.


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    Race cad being played here?
    The same race card that sees a disproportionate number of unarmed black civilians killed in the USA every year?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    A taser is a weapon that has the potential to kill, and there's plenty of video evidence of police using potential deadly force against innocent or unsuspecting civilians in this country without provocation. If the force have gone as far as to charge one of their own with such a heavy crime, there's clear evidence and reasoning to suggest that the officers in question have overstepped the mark with their actions and now face the consequence of that.




    The same race card that sees a disproportionate number of unarmed black civilians killed in the USA every year?
    The IOPC investigated the incident and they are far from independent.

    Last time I checked we live in the UK so what the Americans do is irrelevant to the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    The IOPC investigated the incident and they are far from independent.

    Last time I checked we live in the UK so what the Americans do is irrelevant to the UK.
    Do you think that black people are treated differently in the UK by the police compared to other ethnicities?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Do you think that black people are treated differently in the UK by the police compared to other ethnicities?
    No I don't, and I have far more experience in this issue than most.

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    According to the sun this is what happened,
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/161419...mpression=true

    Well if that is true then the bloke was off his head and I am fully behind the police decision to taser him.

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    Jesus, who needs the courts when you guys have decided everything already.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    Jesus, who needs the courts when you guys have decided everything already.
    I am cheaper than the courts , I would have it all over within a day , You said what , They said this any evidence or witnesses?
    Case closed not guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    Jesus, who needs the courts when you guys have decided everything already.
    If you read the Sun article the "eye-witnesses" have already made up their minds that the Police are guilty with nothing substantial to back it up.

    I don't think anyone on here is daft enough to see it as black and white, case dismissed, we're all guilty of having opinions.


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    Will have to see what come out in court. We don’t know, as someone said the CPS wouldn’t go for it over frivolous reasons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    Will have to see what come out in court. We don’t know, as someone said the CPS wouldn’t go for it over frivolous reasons.
    The CPS would take this to court more easily than most cases just to prevent calls of a cover up.
    My guess is that the police will get off without charge as no wrongdoing is seen but new guidelines over the use of tasers will be written.


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    If I was old bill I’d be handing me taser back in, no point having it if your looking at 15 years porridge for using it


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    Isn't the difference between Manslaughter and Murder the intention to kill?

    I very much doubt the officer intended to kill him when he pulled the trigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehockleyhustler View Post
    Isn't the difference between Manslaughter and Murder the intention to kill?

    I very much doubt the officer intended to kill him when he pulled the trigger

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    Believe it's more in the planning to kill someone. Intent is a grey area, as if you are about to kill me damn right I'd intend to kill you first but I hadn't planned to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    Believe it's more in the planning to kill someone. Intent is a grey area, as if you are about to kill me damn right I'd intend to kill you first but I hadn't planned to.
    But a taser is designed to incapacitate rather than kill so that would be the argument that any defence would use


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    Believe it's more in the planning to kill someone. Intent is a grey area, as if you are about to kill me damn right I'd intend to kill you first but I hadn't planned to.
    So just been reading up on the definition.

    "Manslaughter*is defined*in the UK*as*murder*without premeditation"

    So the charge suggests the officer planned to kill him? Ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehockleyhustler View Post
    So just been reading up on the definition.

    "Manslaughter*is defined*in the UK*as*murder*without premeditation"

    So the charge suggests the officer planned to kill him? Ridiculous

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    There are 2 types

    Voluntary and involuntary, essentially involuntary is accidentally killing someone and voluntary is usually when someone has been killed but the "offender" was provoked

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