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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    The opposition leader with the worst public approval rating in history calling Mike Ashley a bad owner. You really couldn't make it up.

    Attacking Mike Ashley like that seems bizarre, unless it's about something other than his ownership of NUFC.

    I can understand why fans get frustrated with him, but I dont see how he can be faulted on financial governance.
    I'm sure it is about more than just his ownership, do you not think there are huge ethical question marks over the mans business activities?

    Regarding the opposition leader, questionable stats IMO. The only thing that really matters is a general election if you ask me and according to that, Labour have made strides forward under him.

    It's somewhat like saying you lost a game 3-0 but it doesn't matter as you had 70% possession. It's like I've always said (as I'm sure you know) you can get the stats to tell you anything you want if you look hard enough!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    I'm sure it is about more than just his ownership, do you not think there are huge ethical question marks over the mans business activities?

    Regarding the opposition leader, questionable stats IMO. The only thing that really matters is a general election if you ask me and according to that, Labour have made strides forward under him.

    It's somewhat like saying you lost a game 3-0 but it doesn't matter as you had 70% possession. It's like I've always said (as I'm sure you know) you can get the stats to tell you anything you want if you look hard enough!
    Which is why I said if its about his ownership of NUFC. If it's about other business activities then Corbyn should say so.

    "Labour have made great strides under him" is hilarious. If they had a half decent leader, rather than a swivel eyed loon like Corbyn, Labour would have been miles ahead in the polls when May was leader and wouldnt be behind now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Which is why I said if its about his ownership of NUFC. If it's about other business activities then Corbyn should say so.

    "Labour have made great strides under him" is hilarious. If they had a half decent leader, rather than a swivel eyed loon like Corbyn, Labour would have been miles ahead in the polls when May was leader and wouldnt be behind now.
    Why are you ignoring the only thing that matters with these things as in the General Elections?

    Why do you prioritise the polls and “approval ratings” over general election results?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    Why are you ignoring the only thing that matters with these things as in the General Elections?

    Why do you prioritise the polls and “approval ratings” over general election results?
    Like the most recent election which Labour lost?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Like the most recent election which Labour lost?
    Did they lose?

    Can you lose an election from a lost position?

    Depends on opinion don’t it but I personally think you only “lose” an election if you hold a majority government before and then it isn’t after. That’s personal opinion of course.

    Interesting that, if you disagree with that view and they did lose, that you didn’t bring that up! Why was that?

    Even so, what’s your big opposition to the policy itself?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    Did they lose?

    Can you lose an election from a lost position?

    Depends on opinion don’t it but I personally think you only “lose” an election if you hold a majority government before and then it isn’t after. That’s personal opinion of course.

    Interesting that, if you disagree with that view and they did lose, that you didn’t bring that up! Why was that?

    Even so, what’s your big opposition to the policy itself?
    Call it whatever you like. They weren't the largest single party. Opinion polls can be wrong but not by that much.

    I dont care about their policies because it's never going to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    Did they lose?

    Can you lose an election from a lost position?

    Depends on opinion don’t it but I personally think you only “lose” an election if you hold a majority government before and then it isn’t after. That’s personal opinion of course.

    Interesting that, if you disagree with that view and they did lose, that you didn’t bring that up! Why was that?

    Even so, what’s your big opposition to the policy itself?
    No he lost, did better than expected and performed well in campaign but lost. What's wrong with the policy like everything else with Labour more state involvement, even football now, in fact it his hard to think of anything that Corbyn and his Union masters don't want more control of. He has a big problem in WWC demographic class seats now, from the East Midlands right to the North EAST. Mansfield is likely to just be a start. Without that starting base Labour just can't win.

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    Why didn't he single out Arsenal's owners who siphon off profits to pay for their other interests in the USA?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mattw View Post
    No he lost, did better than expected and performed well in campaign but lost. What's wrong with the policy like everything else with Labour more state involvement, even football now, in fact it his hard to think of anything that Corbyn and his Union masters don't want more control of. He has a big problem in WWC demographic class seats now, from the East Midlands right to the North EAST. Mansfield is likely to just be a start. Without that starting base Labour just can't win.
    He has a problem with the working class because he’s never had a proper job in his life and is just an overgrown 70s student protester who has surrounded himself with equally lunatic champagne socialists who don’t live in the real world.

    It’s why he bangs on about stupid shit like this and offers fuck all to people who actually work for a living.

    He’s fucking clueless and he couldn’t win a raffle let alone a fucking general election. Couldn’t even beat May, probably the most ineffective PM ever, yet all his Momentum goons were wanking each other like they’d achieved something. Only reason he even got what he did was by bribing naive millennials with promises of milk and honey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    He has a problem with the working class because he’s never had a proper job in his life and is just an overgrown 70s student protester who has surrounded himself with equally lunatic champagne socialists who don’t live in the real world.
    This is a perfect summation of why I dont like him or trust him. I would never vote for him, even though I've voted Labour all my life (except once when I voted LibDem).


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    It is safe to say that terrorist sympathiser Corbyn is completely unelectable.

    Alongside that racist imbecile Diane Abbott who boasts the word eleventy and thirtyteen in her algebraic vocabulary you wouldn't trust them with a small busines never mind an entire country. They couldn't organise a bun fight at Kiplings.

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    I abhor Diane Abbott but as for terrorist sympathizer can you tell me one peace process that hasn't talked to the bad guys or one obliterate them policy that has left lasting peace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    I abhor Diane Abbott but as for terrorist sympathizer can you tell me one peace process that hasn't talked to the bad guys or one obliterate them policy that has left lasting peace?
    I agree that might be the case but there is a difference between being part of a failed peace process and actually being in bed with the terrorist organisations.

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    In bed with them? IMO he just wants people to stop killing people, something the west has a massive "lead" on.


    I don't like him, he's naive, stuck in the student debate mindset, a vegan hippy and, like 99% of politicians has no idea what real life is like but I don't think anyone could argue "stop killing people" is a bad idea?

    He was at the forefront of the Iraq war protests, at the time demonized but now the majority see it was wrong and Blairs a **** for being in bed with Bush.

    Despite not liking him, to me he's still miles ahead of the self serving Tory elite, in the pockets of Murdoch (his papers are where the Corbyn shit comes from) and BoJo who quite evidently puts his own career and prospects above those of the country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Call it whatever you like. They weren't the largest single party. Opinion polls can be wrong but not by that much.

    I dont care about their policies because it's never going to happen.
    As did everyone else...

    For someone who doesn't care that much, you seem to have a fair whack to say!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    As did everyone else...

    For someone who doesn't care that much, you seem to have a fair whack to say!
    I haven’t mentioned the policy.


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    I have a problem when voting. All through my life I have never found a party in whose policies I can totally believe.

    They all have some policies I can support and some that I absolutely cannot.

    To compound my problem at the moment, the major parties also have leaders who I cannot possibly support.

    My duty is to vote, but how?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    In bed with them? IMO he just wants people to stop killing people, something the west has a massive "lead" on.


    I don't like him, he's naive, stuck in the student debate mindset, a vegan hippy and, like 99% of politicians has no idea what real life is like but I don't think anyone could argue "stop killing people" is a bad idea?

    He was at the forefront of the Iraq war protests, at the time demonized but now the majority see it was wrong and Blairs a **** for being in bed with Bush.

    Despite not liking him, to me he's still miles ahead of the self serving Tory elite, in the pockets of Murdoch (his papers are where the Corbyn shit comes from) and BoJo who quite evidently puts his own career and prospects above those of the country.
    “It’s all the media’s fault” is a Trump tactic. Fake news!

    Insulting people by claiming they’ve been brainwashed by the media is as daft as the anti Semitic conspiracy theories of Corbyn’s Marxist mates. There is plenty of anti Johnson stuff in the press too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    I haven’t mentioned the policy.
    You didn't have too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    I have a problem when voting. All through my life I have never found a party in whose policies I can totally believe.

    They all have some policies I can support and some that I absolutely cannot.

    To compound my problem at the moment, the major parties also have leaders who I cannot possibly support.

    My duty is to vote, but how?
    We need a new political party called “None of the above “


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    We need a new political party called “None of the above “


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    I'd vote for them.


    Is that their manifesto too?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    I'd vote for them.


    Is that their manifesto too?
    Seriously though. If a party called “”None of those candidate “ was created to stand as an alternative at every seat with a pledge to stand down and force a re-election if they won. Wouldn’t this be a good thing?

    This new party could give a detailed background on all of the other candidates showing how they have voted in The House previously and also any dodgy dealings they’ve been involved with (expenses scandal etc)

    They would force parties to stand more votable candidates


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    Seriously though. If a party called “”None of those candidate “ was created to stand as an alternative at every seat with a pledge to stand down and force a re-election if they won. Wouldn’t this be a good thing?

    This new party could give a detailed background on all of the other candidates showing how they have voted in The House previously and also any dodgy dealings they’ve been involved with (expenses scandal etc)

    They would force parties to stand more votable candidates


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    I agree, and I was being serious when I said I'd vote for them. Then I got carried away with the idea of a Nonifesto...


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    You know, if only there were some sort of electoral system that encouraged more than a couple of dominant parties to remain entrenched?

    Something that perhaps provided a more proportional system to allocate votes, providing a more accurate representation of the beliefs and leanings of the electorate?

    Something that actively encouraged additional political parties to form, organise, and campaign, because they knew their views would be heard, and their positions represented in a parliament?

    I don’t suppose it would ever catch on, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    In bed with them? IMO he just wants people to stop killing people, something the west has a massive "lead" on.


    I don't like him, he's naive, stuck in the student debate mindset, a vegan hippy and, like 99% of politicians has no idea what real life is like but I don't think anyone could argue "stop killing people" is a bad idea?

    He was at the forefront of the Iraq war protests, at the time demonized but now the majority see it was wrong and Blairs a **** for being in bed with Bush.

    Despite not liking him, to me he's still miles ahead of the self serving Tory elite, in the pockets of Murdoch (his papers are where the Corbyn shit comes from) and BoJo who quite evidently puts his own career and prospects above those of the country.
    I don't mind Corbyn myself he has improved his presentation a lot over the years, what Labour needs is a strong leader who can bind the disparate parts together, in 2017 he did that well, since then it has all unraveled and he has been pincered on Brexit. He should have stuck to his anti EU principles and let the Tories own Brexit, having the ace up his sleeve of having the next election at the best time for him. Lose that working class vote and it isn't coming back easily.


 

 

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