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    Escobar defo had his finger I'm footie pies

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    His family weren't too happy when that poor bastard Andres Esobar scored that own goal in the world cup. Probably thought it brought shame to the family name.

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    If you watch the frankly excellent Narcos on Netflix, there are several strands to the story about Pablo Escobar‘s love of football and his investment into Colombian football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo View Post
    The big money in football is in illegal gambling. There are lots of countries where any betting is illegal but the mafia take care of that and absolutely clean up.
    This is the thing. Lower league players can quite easily have their head turned by a few quid to phone in a performance or two. Or, in the case of Marco Paoloni (ex keeper) to attempt to drug your own team mates among other things

    I've had a quick google and it seems the Camorra are starting to pick up some smaller teams in the south but that's purely for local, political reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    If you watch the frankly excellent Narcos on Netflix, there are several strands to the story about Pablo Escobar‘s love of football and his investment into Colombian football.
    Absolutely fantastic series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trents View Post
    Christ, Jezza would get a nose-bleed if he has to go that far north.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Long shot, but I'm backing Bayern to overhaul that two point deficit over the final 27 matches.
    That's crazy talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugenboppboppbopp View Post
    That's crazy talk



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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Christ, Jezza would get a nose-bleed if he has to go that far north.
    And a sore arse from sitting on the train carriage floor for 4 hours.


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    Last time I saw hard left Michael Foot he was relaxing in the first class cabin of one of our Tristars. Tough life sticking up for the working class; mind you, he's got the foreman's job at last (or, at least, he had).


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    1. How football clubs are run should have nothing to do with Labour.

    2. How the country is run should have nothing to do with Labour.

    3. I'll let them run anywhere that brews lager - I'm not hoping for an organised piss-up at any of them.


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    I hate this idea because football fans are completely irrational when it comes to football clubs. I’m fact fans hate their fan owned clubs. I used to live in Wrexham and the board are getting dogs abuse. Also what counts as responsible? For example Mike Ashley is a responsible owner the fans don’t like him because he dosen’t spend all his money on the club. The perfect owner is very rare. All the authorities have to make sure is that finances are ran correctly.


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    Aside from the obvious corbyn clap trap, were we better when run by:
    - Nigel Doughty, who was a Forest fan
    - Fawaz, who claimed to have followed the club since the Clough era
    - Marinakis, who has claimed no previous ties to the club

    If our recent experience is anything to go by, it's best when the fans stay out.

    In fact, has anyone here (not Germany) been successful when run by fans?


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    AFC Wimbledon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmersonForest4 View Post
    I hate this idea because football fans are completely irrational when it comes to football clubs. I’m fact fans hate their fan owned clubs. I used to live in Wrexham and the board are getting dogs abuse. Also what counts as responsible? For example Mike Ashley is a responsible owner the fans don’t like him because he dosen’t spend all his money on the club. The perfect owner is very rare. All the authorities have to make sure is that finances are ran correctly.
    These rules, as far as I understand apply in Germany and do so very well. It's only the Red Bull club that have some how circumvented said rules and they are the only hated club in the country.

    Portsmouth were run by their fans as far as I understand (might even still be?) and nobody hated them, did they? I think they were very much celebrated, weren't they? I can't comment on Wrexham as I don't know.

    Mike Ashley, would you want him at Forest?

    I mean the above shows why I totally disagree with your ideas.

    Regardless of that, I'm confused as to what you think your ideas on Labours policy is? Because aside from supporting Mike Ashley (which in every sense of the guy, I really hope you do not!) your points are not hugely relevant to the proposals put forward by Labour.

    In fact, a lot of is around what you support the governance being about and how the finances are managed by said clubs and where the funds go!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    Aside from the obvious corbyn clap trap, were we better when run by:
    - Nigel Doughty, who was a Forest fan
    - Fawaz, who claimed to have followed the club since the Clough era
    - Marinakis, who has claimed no previous ties to the club

    If our recent experience is anything to go by, it's best when the fans stay out.

    In fact, has anyone here (not Germany) been successful when run by fans?
    Portsmouth
    Wimbledon
    Norwich City
    Middlesbrough

    Swansea City's meteoric rise came under life long fan Huw Jenkins all supposedly went tits up once the yanks started meddling.

    Sheffield United were before the Saudi twat won his court battle, debatable as to whether good or not I guess.

    Need anymore? I'm sure they're knocking around.


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    To me it doesn't matter who owns the club as long as they have the skill and knowledge to run the club properly and effectively. A winning team soon wins the fans over, too.

    I think many owners are like many of the very successful managers; they all have huge egos. If you can keep this in check, you'll do alright, if you can't, things are likely to go bottoms up.


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    The opposition leader with the worst public approval rating in history calling Mike Ashley a bad owner. You really couldn't make it up.

    Attacking Mike Ashley like that seems bizarre, unless it's about something other than his ownership of NUFC.

    I can understand why fans get frustrated with him, but I dont see how he can be faulted on financial governance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    Portsmouth
    Wimbledon
    Norwich City
    Middlesbrough

    Swansea City's meteoric rise came under life long fan Huw Jenkins all supposedly went tits up once the yanks started meddling.

    Sheffield United were before the Saudi twat won his court battle, debatable as to whether good or not I guess.

    Need anymore? I'm sure they're knocking around.
    My gripe is giving fan groups a day no matter what. I’m a liberal and I’m not against fan consortiums I juts don’t like it being mandated. My point is fan consortiums aren’t always the answer. The examples you list there as well aren’t all fan consortiums led groups just happens the owner is a fan. Doughty was fan and we were dreadful.

    I also hate Politicians getting involved in football, this area is the scope of the efl and premier league. At the end of the day which is my point is football fans are irrational and fickle so why would you automatically assume they would be completely responsible either? Wrexham appointee Bryan Hughes an ex player who’s managerial experience is a brief caretaker stint at Scarborough where he got sacked and before he got the wrexham job he was managing a foot golf centre. Hence the third biggest side in the national league are not one place above the relegation zone.


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    Ashley is one of the few owners who is actually safeguarding the financial future of „his“ club by refusing to spend any money on it.

    Which, you have to say, is an outstanding move.

    Maybe be should stick to running Newcastle, instead of flogging cheap tat that encourages Britain‘s youth to dress like wannabe gangster-rappers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Ashley is one of the few owners who is actually safeguarding the financial future of „his“ club by refusing to spend any money on it.

    Which, you have to say, is an outstanding move.

    Maybe be should stick to running Newcastle, instead of flogging cheap tat that encourages Britain‘s youth to dress like wannabe gangster-rappers?
    But where else will I be able to drape myself head to toe in Lonsdale and Sondico?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notcher View Post
    But where else will I be able to drape myself head to toe in Lonsdale and Sondico?

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    Er, the nearest skip, perhaps?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Er, the nearest skip, perhaps?
    Or as they call it in sports direct "aisle 2".

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmersonForest4 View Post
    My gripe is giving fan groups a day no matter what. I’m a liberal and I’m not against fan consortiums I juts don’t like it being mandated. My point is fan consortiums aren’t always the answer. The examples you list there as well aren’t all fan consortiums led groups just happens the owner is a fan. Doughty was fan and we were dreadful.

    I also hate Politicians getting involved in football, this area is the scope of the efl and premier league. At the end of the day which is my point is football fans are irrational and fickle so why would you automatically assume they would be completely responsible either? Wrexham appointee Bryan Hughes an ex player who’s managerial experience is a brief caretaker stint at Scarborough where he got sacked and before he got the wrexham job he was managing a foot golf centre. Hence the third biggest side in the national league are not one place above the relegation zone.
    It's not about fan consortiums or takeovers, it's giving fans an input. The basic concept is that a supporters trust can appoint and remove up to 2 board members that represent the interest of supporters. The other element is ensuring that 5% of the revenue generated by television rights is invested in grassroots football and regulation around the re-sale of tickets for major football matches at ridiculously inflated prices.

    Which part of the policy is it you are hugely opposing?

    I get your point about the EFL and the PL but the issue with that is they're controlled by their members, i.e. the clubs and the people who make the decisions on their behalf are owners. Do you think they've done a good job keeping control of the markets they are in place to govern?

    It's purely bringing a bit of regulation to a market with a strong community interest. As a policy, I don't see why anyone would hugely oppose it personally.


 

 

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