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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

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    Football is a career where managers are sacked for failing to succeed, only to move on to a higher-paid job at a bigger club. It's madness.

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    Big business is like that, see the bloke who destroyed Halifax... he bagged a job at Asda and Boots afterwards I do believe and it werent as a greeter.

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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    Back in for Gayle in January?

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    Surely a few of these we could be looking at? Fair few who play for club's which won't really be going anywhere at least........

    Top Scorers
    Aleksandar Mitrović 8
    Ollie Watkins 8
    Daniel Johnson 7
    Karlan Ahearne-Grant 7
    Eberechi Eze 6
    Jordan Hugill 6
    Borja Bastón 6
    Nahki Wells 6
    James Collins 5
    Tom Cairney 5
    Bradley Dack 5
    Lyle Taylor 5

    Top Assists
    Jonathan Williams 5
    Matheus Fellipe Costa Pereira 5
    Daniel Johnson 4
    John Swift 4
    Tom Cairney 3
    Ivan Ricardo Neves Abreu Cavaleiro 3
    Sergi Canós Tenes 3
    Adam Reach 3
    Barry Bannan 3
    Ryan Manning 3
    Aden Flint 3
    Josh Murphy 3

    If we can spend 13m on a player who can't get into either chart, surely we can be competitive for those who can?


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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Surely a few of these we could be looking at? Fair few who play for club's which won't really be going anywhere at least........

    Top Scorers
    Aleksandar Mitrović 8
    Ollie Watkins 8
    Daniel Johnson 7
    Karlan Ahearne-Grant 7
    Eberechi Eze 6
    Jordan Hugill 6
    Borja Bastón 6
    Nahki Wells 6
    James Collins 5
    Tom Cairney 5
    Bradley Dack 5
    Lyle Taylor 5

    Top Assists
    Jonathan Williams 5
    Matheus Fellipe Costa Pereira 5
    Daniel Johnson 4
    John Swift 4
    Tom Cairney 3
    Ivan Ricardo Neves Abreu Cavaleiro 3
    Sergi Canós Tenes 3
    Adam Reach 3
    Barry Bannan 3
    Ryan Manning 3
    Aden Flint 3
    Josh Murphy 3

    If we can spend 13m on a player who can't get into either chart, surely we can be competitive for those who can?
    Most of those are at clubs in the top ten. They wont sell, especially to a rival.


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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Most of those are at clubs in the top ten. They wont sell, especially to a rival.
    We're a waste of space if we can't attract folk like Jonathan Williams. The Fazza & Dougie combo managed that. Really doesn't say much for EM & Modesto if they can't outdo that combo.

    Need to be more positive & aggressive here. If we're headed to the Prem top 10 players will still move.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    We're a waste of space if we can't attract folk like Jonathan Williams. The Fazza & Dougie combo managed that. Really doesn't say much for EM & Modesto if they can't outdo that combo.

    Need to be more positive & aggressive here. If we're headed to the Prem top 10 players will still move.
    Dougie & fawaz may well have bagged him, but what transpired after that wont have Williams chomping at the bit to come back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Dougie & fawaz may well have bagged him, but what transpired after that wont have Williams chomping at the bit to come back.
    Ha, good point. New dawn and all that allegedly though.

    We need to make our mind up where we are as a club. If we can't sign top 10 Champ players then we aren't gonna be a Prem side. I'd like to think there's 2 or 3 off that list we'll be at least lokoing at. We have just bagged 11m this window, and prob only spent 3-4m of that max.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    We're a waste of space if we can't attract folk like Jonathan Williams. The Fazza & Dougie combo managed that. Really doesn't say much for EM & Modesto if they can't outdo that combo.

    Need to be more positive & aggressive here. If we're headed to the Prem top 10 players will still move.
    One player. Would he make a difference?

    As so often, you seem to expect us to command other clubs to sell us their best players for whatever fee we want. If that's true we should tell Man U we want Rashford.

    It doesn't work like that. Some of those clubs have more money than us for a start.

    Even if they would sell, paying way over the odds for players and putting the future of the club at risk isn't what these owners are about.

    Going back in to compete for Gayle sounds like a much more realistic option.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    One player. Would he make a difference?

    As so often, you seem to expect us to command other clubs to sell us their best players for whatever fee we want. If that's true we should tell Man U we want Rashford.

    It doesn't work like that. Some of those clubs have more money than us for a start.

    Even if they would sell, paying way over the odds for players and putting the future of the club at risk isn't what these owners are about.
    Nah, I just think that from that pretty long list there'd be 2-3 players we could grab & should consider.

    Dack for example, plays at a club sat 14th and which is never going up, gets slated for only turning up for one half by fans, 25 so still years left in him but knows his trade now, Cardiff linked with him for 4m in the Summer. Worth looking at.

    I dunno, seems very pessamistic to accept outright that we can't attract or afford any of those players. If we can't, we're prob not gonna be good enough to go up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Big business is like that, see the bloke who destroyed Halifax... he bagged a job at Asda and Boots afterwards I do believe and it werent as a greeter.


    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Ha, good point. New dawn and all that allegedly though.

    We need to make our mind up where we are as a club. If we can't sign top 10 Champ players then we aren't gonna be a Prem side. I'd like to think there's 2 or 3 off that list we'll be at least lokoing at. We have just bagged 11m this window, and prob only spent 3-4m of that max.
    I cant work out if you're on the wind up, or you genuinely believe that Nottingham Forest are a massive club who can go around arrogantly throwing money at people.


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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    I cant work out if you're on the wind up, or you genuinely believe that Nottingham Forest are a massive club who can go around arrogantly throwing money at people.
    We spent 13m on 1 player last year mate and have sold 11m worth of players this year, so should have a few quid i nthe pot. I think considering a 3-4m bid for a player like Dack isn't unreasonable.

    It's really there as a discussion point to see what creative angles folk think we may be able to approch this window from. I think that's a better bet than loaning in another Bonatini/Mir/etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    We spent 13m on 1 player last year mate and have sold 11m worth of players this year, so should have a few quid i nthe pot. I think considering a 3-4m bid for a player like Dack isn't unreasonable.

    It's really there as a discussion point to see what creative angles folk think we may be able to approch this window from. I think that's a better bet than loaning in another Bonatini/Mir/etc.
    Signingl good value players is what the staff at the club are all about. EPL loans or foreigners. Certainly not top half Championship players who will cost way over the odds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Signingl good value players is what the staff at the club are all about. EPL loans or foreigners. Certainly not top half Championship players who will cost way over the odds.
    Carva, Jenks, Figs - 17m on 3 players who have contributed sweet FA this season, does not represent good value mate.

    No idea how you can defend that then suggest a 3-4m bid for Dack is way over the odds. 13m on Carva is over the odds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Carva, Jenks, Figs - 17m on 3 players who have contributed sweet FA this season, does not represent good value mate.

    No idea how you can defend that then suggest a 3-4m bid for Dack is way over the odds. 13m on Carva is over the odds.
    You're constantly critical of the club's recruitment but we have improved league position every year since the owners took over, so the evidence doesn't fit your argument.

    Signing players is a hit/miss business. It isnt anywhere near as bad as you make out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    You're constantly critical of the club's recruitment but we have improved league position every year since the owners took over, so the evidence doesn't fit your argument.

    Signing players is a hit/miss business. It isnt anywhere near as bad as you make out.
    Never said we haven't done good stuff to move us forward, just looking at the bits we can improve on to move us foward even further.

    James Collins is another to consider. 26 goals in L1 last season, 5 goals from 11 this season, highest transfer fee he's fetch was £200k I think and he's 28 now so wouldn't be at a premium. Could prob get him for around 1-2m Worth considering to get us over the line, rather than having to rely on Mir & Ameobi.


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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    A thread like this shows just how difficult it is to name players and make a case for the signing.

    Virtually every name mentioned is shot down almost immediately by someone else.


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    Not a chance Blackburn are selling Dack for as low as £4m, he is their best player by a mile. Double that at least.

    Collins is probably doable if we wanted him, but would cost more than £1-2m, probably more like £3-4m in today's market.


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    Weren't we linked with Jamal Lowe from Portsmouth last year? Seemed a decent player yesterday. Wished we'd got him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    Not a chance Blackburn are selling Dack for as low as £4m, he is their best player by a mile. Double that at least.

    Collins is probably doable if we wanted him, but would cost more than £1-2m, probably more like £3-4m in today's market.
    Fair point. Dack was linked with a 4m move to Cardiff last year, hence the quote. And at 25 I'm pretty sure he won't want to hang around a club like Rovers should a top 2 club come knocking too. So maybe 5-6m? Maybe a bit too much?

    And yeah, again fair shout.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Fair point. Dack was linked with a 4m move to Cardiff last year, hence the quote. And at 25 I'm pretty sure he won't want to hang around a club like Rovers should a top 2 club come knocking too. So maybe 5-6m? Maybe a bit too much?

    And yeah, again fair shout.
    £4m for Dack is a Mark Arthur-esque derisory offer, if that's all Cardiff were willing to pay out for him then I'm not surprised he is still at Blackburn. I reckon Blackburn would want £8m+ for him personally, I don't see them selling their best player for any less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    The biggest issue might prove to be cover for Samba Sow if the knee injury he picked up today is a bad one. An extra striker is obvious, and it's hard not to wonder what Lamouchi could do with Tyler Walker given how many other players he has improved since taking over.

    An attacking winger that's proven at this level would also be useful. Grosicki is out of contract in the summer and already has four goals this season from out wide for Hull.
    Late on this thread, but totally agree with Tobias here...Sow has demonstrated how a complete DM (pace, tackle, stamina and passing range is essential)

    We really need to clone him

    Then a top quality winger and a young proven goalscorer

    I really think Sabri has made an error not having Milosovic closer to the starting 11
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    He's much better than Figs

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    Default Re: January 2020, an important window

    I reluctantly agree that you need another striker (not impressed by Mir to put it mildly), but I still think a top priority in January should be a proper winger.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    £4m for Dack is a Mark Arthur-esque derisory offer, if that's all Cardiff were willing to pay out for him then I'm not surprised he is still at Blackburn. I reckon Blackburn would want £8m+ for him personally, I don't see them selling their best player for any less.
    Baring in mind Mowbray is getting a lot of flack from fans, and there's some call to get a new keeper & some defensive players in, maybe a cheeky 3-4m bid with Pants, Yacob & Milo/Figs offered in the other direction?

    We need to do something. I can't subscribe to this "it's impossible to sign anyone good from this league" spiel I keep hearing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I reluctantly agree that you need another striker (not impressed by Mir to put it mildly), but I still think a top priority in January should be a proper winger.
    ..with pace.

    The team is too one paced. I reckon it’s why Lamouchi has been experimenting with Ribeiro further forward. A player who does have genuine pace.


 

 

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