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    It's not at all like umpire's call in cricket for LBW. Umpire's call is not subjective, it's determined exactly like the goal line technology or hawkeye's line calls in tennis.


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    It is. You can have two identical deliveries as far as the video technology is concerned - pitched in the same place, hit batsman same place on the pad, both going on to hit the outside of the stump - result in two different outcomes because of the original decision give by the umpire.

    One team gets the wicket because the human decided it was hitting, the other doesn't because the human decided it wasn't.

    The video officials take into account the original human decision, and with the combination of the two a decision is reached. And so it is entirely possible, and happens frequently that for two identical situations as far as the rules go, the calls go opposite ways

    It isn't fair, clearly. If DRS had come in last week, fans and media would be up in arms about it. "Supposed to sort out the inconsistencies not create more....etc". As it is, some grumble about it, but as they have had years to get used it, they accept it and get on with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    I see more euphoria and “limbs” as the social media lot put at most football matches than I did at Lords when England won the cricket World Cup.

    Were fans falling over each other at Wimbledon jumping for joy when Murray won it?

    Is it really about preference or is it a different type of moment?
    See any of those celebrations at Headingley yesterday, mouldy?

    Anything at the football this weekend to match them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    See any of those celebrations at Headingley yesterday, mouldy?

    Anything at the football this weekend to match them?
    Nope.

    Every dot ball, every tight run, every fielding fumble, every boundary, celebrated like a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    See any of those celebrations at Headingley yesterday, mouldy?

    Anything at the football this weekend to match them?
    I did see them yes, looked great. Should've thrown a VAR call in and seen how they'd gone then.

    Not sure re the football of this particular weekend I haven't sadly had the opportunity to take any of it in this weekend. My mate did get to Fulham though and he said the away end was bouncing, I'm sure Lewis Grabbans goals were celebrated just as hard as they probably were up and down the country in a range of football grounds.

    Did you think the celebrations even compared to the ones in Hyde Park? We were both there, a very special moment and they looked and fekt a bit more wild to me, as it generally is in football.


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    Much like the Cricket World Cup England won because the umpire made a mistake. Missed a plum LBW.


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    Back to football.

    Chief of the VAR people, Neil Swarbrick I think is the man, admitted that the VAR offside calls were approximations because the video is only 50fps, so not allowing definite calls to be made.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    I did see them yes, looked great. Should've thrown a VAR call in and seen how they'd gone then.

    Not sure re the football of this particular weekend I haven't sadly had the opportunity to take any of it in this weekend. My mate did get to Fulham though and he said the away end was bouncing, I'm sure Lewis Grabbans goals were celebrated just as hard as they probably were up and down the country in a range of football grounds.

    Did you think the celebrations even compared to the ones in Hyde Park? We were both there, a very special moment and they looked and fekt a bit more wild to me, as it generally is in football.
    You're kidding.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    You're kidding.
    Not really, no.

    I mean are you telling my Hyde Park was not more wild/crazy than Headingly?

    I’d say the same back if you think otherwise, personally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    Not really, no.

    I mean are you telling my Hyde Park was not more wild/crazy than Headingly?

    I’d say the same back if you think otherwise, personally.
    It was full of people who rolled out of their office ready to chuck plastic glasses of beer in the air like they had seen happening at Croydon Boxpark on the tv. Half of them probably hadn't attended a football match all season.

    Arguing football has better highs than other sports is incredibly biased. You must see that. We are on a football forum though. It's not worth going around in circles about. All sport has highs and lows, that's why it's great.


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    My glass of beer nearly went in the air when BBC Sport refreshed from "England need 2 runs to win" to "Scores are tied" to "England win with one wicket".

    Football is ruined by hangers on. Who come out of the woodwork just because. Would put my home deposit on those who caused trouble last year being those who saw less of the qualifying campaign then the visually impaired.

    I was lucky enough to be in Brussels when they beat Brazil last summer's the atmosphere that night was way better than anything I've experienced watching England. Mostly because it ends up in us bottling it.


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    Video technology can sometimes add to the confusion, rather than remove it. Does that mean it shouldn't be used?

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...a-drs-asterisk


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    It was full of people who rolled out of their office ready to chuck plastic glasses of beer in the air like they had seen happening at Croydon Boxpark on the tv. Half of them probably hadn't attended a football match all season.

    Arguing football has better highs than other sports is incredibly biased. You must see that. We are on a football forum though. It's not worth going around in circles about. All sport has highs and lows, that's why it's great.
    I'm in full agreement with you regarding the first part, no doubt at all. Isn't it incredible though that a sport that 30,000, with a section uninterested (my friend being 1 of them who won the tickets) being able to easily get involved in that euphoric moment and it was more euphoric than anything I saw at Headingly.

    Of course I'm biased, as is anyone else that says it. That happens to be most people so despite the fact it's biased, the volume of people that view it that way makes it kind of right, doesn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mouldynffc View Post
    I'm in full agreement with you regarding the first part, no doubt at all. Isn't it incredible though that a sport that 30,000, with a section uninterested (my friend being 1 of them who won the tickets) being able to easily get involved in that euphoric moment and it was more euphoric than anything I saw at Headingly.

    Of course I'm biased, as is anyone else that says it. That happens to be most people so despite the fact it's biased, the volume of people that view it that way makes it kind of right, doesn't it?
    No. The numbers means there are more football fans than cricket fans in this country. There's no connection.

    The sheer volume of people who buy Bieber records do not make him the best recording artist. Just like the greater number of people who have told you they like celebrating a goal at the football more than stuff at other sports does not mean football has the greatest highs of all the sports.

    This debate is like postal chess. I'm sure we started three weeks last Tuesday. I'm out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    No. The numbers means there are more football fans than cricket fans in this country. There's no connection.

    The sheer volume of people who buy Bieber records do not make him the best recording artist. Just like the greater number of people who have told you they like celebrating a goal at the football more than stuff at other sports does not mean football has the greatest highs of all the sports.

    This debate is like postal chess. I'm sure we started three weeks last Tuesday. I'm out.
    Fair enough but to close off the numbers tell us something. The pictures tell us something, the obsessions tell us something. It's a collective picture and a fairly clear one at that. We've all experienced it sat in grounds, venues or in front of televisions. They are different.

    I've thoroughly enjoyed the exchange of ideas!


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    Must have forgot to switch VAR on this weekend.

    Newcastle score after the ball hits their players' arm and falls for another to knock in.

    Ref at Palace Villa stops Villa scoring a goal to give a dive against Grealish (would be him wouldn't it) when he actually passes the ball to Lansbury as he is falling over. Ref blows before the ball hits the net so can't use VAR anyway!


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    Can't be right when VAR is one of the top talking points, when it's supposed to stop all this bickering.


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    It does what it was fundamentally brought in to do - to raise talking points among the masses and raise the profile for the plc businesses.


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    VAR again proving its worth in the Bundesliga today, as the video officials pick out a horrible Kung-fu style challenge by Jorge Meré of 1. FC Köln that the on-pitch official originally missed, and on review, the Ref agrees and sends off the Köln man for an absolutely horrible studs-up rake down the shin of an opposing player.

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    Most VAR decisions in the Premier League these days seem to be offside related.

    I'm firmly of the opinion and have been for years (forever actually) that the offside Law should never have been tinkered with. If you're offside, you're offside, no messing. All this interfering with play is a nonsense.

    Get back to basics and stop trying to be clever.

    Using the laws as they should be would mean we could get back to a lino with a flag and no bloody technology.


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    And those effing handlooms. They can go an all.


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    VAR in rugby is fine as rugby, by its nature, is a start and stop game.
    Goal-line technology in football is excellent as it comes into play to make the most important decision in the football game: goal or no goal.
    VAR is disrupting the beautiful game on so many levels.
    Players and coaches are, as predicted, VAR-threatening the match officials.
    As for "clear and obvious errors", well to rule out a goal because a striker's nipple on a cold day is offside is, frankly ludicrous.
    VAR has no regard for the spectator.
    If the Football authorities want a single low tech solution to improving the viewing experience for the spectator, the 4th referee should be given the sole job of keeping a stop-watch to record every instance when play is stopped so that there is a full 90 minutes of playing time.
    What with long throw-in routines, time-wasting at goal kicks, free kicks and at every drop of the hat, and spurious injury down-time I reckon most games would require a minimum of 10 minutes at the end of each half to make up for the all that none-plating time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    VAR in rugby is fine as rugby, by its nature, is a start and stop game.
    Goal-line technology in football is excellent as it comes into play to make the most important decision in the football game: goal or no goal.
    VAR is disrupting the beautiful game on so many levels.
    Players and coaches are, as predicted, VAR-threatening the match officials.
    As for "clear and obvious errors", well to rule out a goal because a striker's nipple on a cold day is offside is, frankly ludicrous.
    VAR has no regard for the spectator.
    If the Football authorities want a single low tech solution to improving the viewing experience for the spectator, the 4th referee should be given the sole job of keeping a stop-watch to record every instance when play is stopped so that there is a full 90 minutes of playing time.
    What with long throw-in routines, time-wasting at goal kicks, free kicks and at every drop of the hat, and spurious injury down-time I reckon most games would require a minimum of 10 minutes at the end of each half to make up for the all that none-plating time.
    This a 1000 times.

    VAR is seen as technology overriding everything, but it kills the passion of the game, good for Sky and their ilk, but terrible for the actual spectators.


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    As usual the problem is the definition of something which is subjective. “Clear and obvious error”.

    How clear and how obvious it is seems to vary from week to week.


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    Disallowing Arsenal’s goal was mystifying. Two players in a tangle, if anything the defender goes in with his studs. It’s like some times they forget contact is allowed and not everything has to be a foul.

    They did well to find contact on Zaha as well. Bloke‘a a serial cheat, has been diving or looking for contact his whole career. Daniel James is the same. Giving penalties to these players doesn’t help anything.


 

 

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