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    Default Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Players out of contract this summer or loans going back...

    J. Ward
    S. Henderson
    Pelť
    J. Fuentes
    M. Waguť
    S. Janko
    D. GonÁalves
    J. Colback
    L. Bonatini
    S. Byram
    T. Walker
    S. Laird

    Loans out, coming back but still in contract...

    J. Smith
    J. Worrall
    P. Tachtsidis
    J. Grant
    G. Ariyibi
    Z. Clough
    J. Cummings
    A. Vellios

    Players that are in contract but for me could go...

    B. Watson
    M. Hefele
    D. Murphy
    L. Bridcutt
    A. Guedioura
    B. Osborn
    C. Yacob
    E. Soudani
    K. Ansarifard

    Still unsure on the last 2 as they have qualities but conscious that we need players who can contribute and fight for a first team place.

    However you see it, MON and Keane have a massive job on to get rid of the deadwood in this squad and refresh it with the quality we need to be able to seriously challenge for promotion.

    17 players staying for me...

    C. Pantilimon
    L. Steele
    T. Figueiredo
    A. Milosevic
    M. Dawson
    Y. Benalouane
    J. Worrall
    J. Robinson
    T. Darikwa
    J. Colback - if we can sort it.
    R. Yates
    M. Cash
    J. Carvalho
    J. Lolley
    A. Appiah
    L. Grabban
    T. Walker

    J. Grant and G. Ariyibi young players that Iíd like to think we could keep on the fringes or loan out again.
    Pele, M. Wague, L. Bonatini need to see more of before yes or no.

    How do you see it?


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Doing. Bring out your dead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyRedForever View Post
    Players out of contract this summer or loans going back...
    S. Laird
    Who?


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    Default Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottingham's Finest View Post
    Who?
    S. Laird


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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyRedForever View Post
    Players out of contract this summer or loans going back...

    J. Ward
    S. Henderson
    Pelť
    J. Fuentes
    M. Waguť
    S. Janko
    D. GonÁalves
    J. Colback
    L. Bonatini
    S. Byram
    T. Walker
    S. Laird

    Loans out, coming back but still in contract...

    J. Smith
    J. Worrall
    P. Tachtsidis
    J. Grant
    G. Ariyibi
    Z. Clough
    J. Cummings
    A. Vellios

    Players that are in contract but for me could go...

    B. Watson
    M. Hefele
    D. Murphy
    L. Bridcutt
    A. Guedioura
    B. Osborn
    C. Yacob
    E. Soudani
    K. Ansarifard

    Still unsure on the last 2 as they have qualities but conscious that we need players who can contribute and fight for a first team place.

    However you see it, MON and Keane have a massive job on to get rid of the deadwood in this squad and refresh it with the quality we need to be able to seriously challenge for promotion.

    17 players staying for me...

    C. Pantilimon
    L. Steele
    T. Figueiredo
    A. Milosevic
    M. Dawson
    Y. Benalouane
    J. Worrall
    J. Robinson
    T. Darikwa
    J. Colback - if we can sort it.
    R. Yates
    M. Cash
    J. Carvalho
    J. Lolley
    A. Appiah
    L. Grabban
    T. Walker

    J. Grant and G. Ariyibi young players that I’d like to think we could keep on the fringes or loan out again.
    Pele, M. Wague, L. Bonatini need to see more of before yes or no.

    How do you see it?
    I'd keep Yacob and Osborn, and jettison Grant and Ariyibi (who haven't impressed at League One level on loan and aren't that young anymore). Also would like to see more of Soudani when he's back before deciding what to do with him. Pretty much agree on everything else though. .


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottingham's Finest View Post
    Who?
    You know, Scott Laird

    Ok may have copy and pasted from transfermarkt for the loan players and according to them he’s in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyRedForever View Post
    You know, Scott Laird

    Ok may have copy and pasted from transfermarkt for the loan players and according to them he’s in.
    Forest Green Rovers, not us


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nottingham's Finest View Post
    Forest Green Rovers, not us
    Maybe they know something we don’t?


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    Send em all to the glue factory.

    I include Lolley. Will piss me off no end when he's at Villa next season

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    So if we release everyone out of contract and all of our loans go back we'll have a squad of 30 senior pros (plus Appiah) which probably needs at least half a dozen additions to it in the summer to turn us into a genuine top 6 side. That's a lot of players we need to get rid of to get that into a manageable squad, we really have filled it with a lot of dross on long contracts in the Marinakis era. Think it'll be quite difficult to get rid of many of these players apart from on loan where we're still paying a fair chunk of wages.


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    They do read a sorry bunch don't they. Far too many huffers and puffers.


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    All players must stay, there's no more deadwood at the club since AK sorted it out


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Quote Originally Posted by eugenboppboppbopp View Post
    Send em all to the glue factory.

    I include Lolley. Will piss me off no end when he's at Villa next season

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    Surely that can only happen if they go up? A Championship Villa next season can't afford him surely?

    I'd love Villa not to go up. The way they gave it the 'Billy Big Bollocks' in that first year with the parachute payments, I'd very much like to see them at the FFP table with the rest of us!


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    All players must stay, there's no more deadwood at the club since AK sorted it out
    AK had them firing, Its simply a case that MONs style doesn't seem to be a fit for many in the squad. Who'd have fucking thought it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    AK had them firing, Its simply a case that MONs style doesn't seem to be a fit for many in the squad. Who'd have fucking thought it.
    But AK is sat on his arse now not giving a flying fk about Forest and MON is doing his best to sort out the shit he left behind


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    Too early for this. We don’t know what league we’re going to be in yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMANRED View Post
    But AK is sat on his arse now not giving a flying fk about Forest and MON is doing his best to sort out the shit he left behind
    True, I just don't understand why we took a sledgehammer to the original plan, yet we now seem to be working our way back to it, using players who don't fit.

    I accept injuries have taken effect, but id have preferred to have stuck to the original plan using long ball, industry & organisation. What we have now is a confused mixture of the two. With good players rotting on the bench.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Too early for this. We don’t know what league we’re going to be in yet.
    Dunno mate, I’d say we were probably safe from relegation now?

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    Let's be realistic about the players MON has brought in:
    Bonatini: brought in to provide a back up striker to Grabban, Murphy, and Ansarifard.
    Other than Grabban the competition for the back-up striker role is poor.
    With Grabban injured for weeks you would have thought our new loanee would have been a shoe-in.
    Fact is he is totally unfit, lacking in confidence, and hasn't scored for anyone for about 12 months.
    Verdict: Failed.
    Milosevic: free agent brought in to address centre-back crisis. Has played well since joining, but against a decent team (Villa) looked suspect.
    Verdict: Reasonable success so far
    Benalouane: as with Milo, brought in to address the centre-back crisis. He's been solid, but has already collected a few yellow cards, and still looks like a red-card in waiting most games. That aside he is enthusiastic, bold and he and Milo, with the exception of the Villa game, have formed a decent pairing.
    Verdict: reasonable success so far
    Pele: brought in to bolster the midfield, but I am not sure whether this is as a holding midfielder or a creative midfielder. Impressed on his full debut but has looked to be very poor in the 2 subsequent games.
    Verdict: doesn't look that good to me yet, despite getting my MOTM award for his debut game v Hull. I'd prefer to see Yacob playing ahead of Pele to be honest.
    Wague: It is now late March and given his arrival in late January it is a bit of a surprise that he has so far made 1 appearance as a sub and 1 in the starting line up. When he came on as sub he scored a goal and looked OK. Yesterday he was a liability and could have given the points away if the ref had awarded the penalty that, to be honest, it looked like it should have been.
    Verdict: If he was good he'd have made more appearances, so it's a "no" from me.

    As for the first team squad and the management style, tactics etc, the squad MON inherited can play a lot better - and did so under Karanka at times. As for MON - it is fair to say that I was concerned that we were about to see another much loved player from our glory days fail.
    His team selections still smack of "not sure of my best team, not sure of my best formation", but like all new managers in position MON needs time!
    The reliance on Murphy reflects paucity of strikers.
    Lolley is being run into the ground and as yet MON hasn't been able to field another player with Lolley's ability to wreak havoc.
    But then again, do we have another such player?
    Answer: no we don't.
    Therefore where we are is we over-rely on Lolley who gets double-teamed every game, and then when he does penetrate the opposition there is no one else there to convert the chances he creates.
    It is a sad state of affairs, but as many have observed, we are no worse and no better than the rump of the Championship teams.
    Conclusion: MON, like his predecessors needs time in post, support of the Board/Owner and fans alike, and for him to demonstrate that he is not a prehistoric advocate of hoofball.
    We are unlikely to achieve Top 6 this season, whatever the Maths say.
    And I doubt MON will be able to make the player changes that needed just in the Summer window.
    Whether he gets more time than this and next season is in Marinakis's gift.
    And none of us can predict Mr Marinakis's decisions with any certainty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    AK had them firing, Its simply a case that MONs style doesn't seem to be a fit for many in the squad. Who'd have fucking thought it.
    Don't disagree. My point being though mate is that AK was lauded as some type of hero for "clearing the deadwood" last year. When, as I've said all along, change in management styles is what creates deadwood in the firstplace because managers buy players to fit their style, not the next bloke's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Don't disagree. My point being though mate is that AK was lauded as some type of hero for "clearing the deadwood" last year. When, as I've said all along, change in management styles is what creates deadwood in the firstplace because managers buy players to fit their style, not the next bloke's.
    But he got rid of some right shite and bought in players who all put in a shift in every game and played to the end. It was a rare time where the difference was massively noticeable. We went from carrying half hearted players like McKay, to having players like Lolley who don’t give up and shirk thier responsibilities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    But he got rid of some right shite and bought in players who all put in a shift in every game and played to the end. It was a rare time where the difference was massively noticeable. We went from carrying half hearted players like McKay, to having players like Lolley who donít give up and shirk thier responsibilities.
    We still have allot of players now at the club not good enough, we've swapped McKay for players like Gued and Watson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    But he got rid of some right shite and bought in players who all put in a shift in every game and played to the end. It was a rare time where the difference was massively noticeable. We went from carrying half hearted players like McKay, to having players like Lolley who donít give up and shirk thier responsibilities.
    He did, but MON (or whoever) has some right shite to shift still.

    Players who were signed in the AK era (Hef, Janko, Geds, Watson, etc) will be deadwood this Summer.

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    See look at Millwall on bbc1

    Players probably worse in quality then ours but they just have the absolute right attitude

    And thatís the difference


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    Default Re: Well thatís that then, letís take stock...

    It's a bit of a horror show. So much deadwood to shift.


 

 

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