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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    Is he really? Oh well, that's 'Layla' off my mixed tape.
    He is indeed.

    The rear of the Backless Album has a photo showing not only his famous black Fender Stratocaster, but also a prominently-placed West Brom scarf:



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    Oh and in the 70s, he used to register into hotels as „Mr. W. B. Albion“.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Also, for the record, I once spotted Jeff Lynn sat not too far from me at the Hawthornes during a game against us in the '70s when ELO were at the height of their fame (my mate got him to autograph the matchday programme), and he was definitely wearing a WBA scarf.....although I've since heard him refer to himself as a Birmingham city fan?
    I always though Jeff Lynne was Birmingham City, which is why they adopted Mr. Blue Sky as an anthem?

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    Was it a half & half??


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    Jeff Lynne is mates with Trevor Francis which is maybe where the Birmingham link comes from.

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    How big is West Brom's squad anyway? They had players wearing 68 and 70...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin Plummer View Post
    Really don't see how we can take the moral high ground when we've players who dive just as blatantly.
    I think most of my anger is directed towards the referee who was incompetent at best and dishonest at worst.
    The failure to see Lolley CLEARLY pulled back by his shirt, does give an argument that you should demonstrate that you've been impeded, fouled (however mildly) etc. It is the referees job to decide whether someone dives or not and then take appropriate action. Both major incidents which stopped us deservedly winning were observed at close quarters by the idiot official and got not just one wrong, but both; you couldn't make it up.
    But generally we don't. Giving one or two examples where Forest have fallen below your high standards does not wash with me; I see too many examples of almost criminal incompetence by refs to start trying to balance it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RRRREDUN View Post
    I think most of my anger is directed towards the referee who was incompetent at best and dishonest at worst.
    The failure to see Lolley CLEARLY pulled back by his shirt, does give an argument that you should demonstrate that you've been impeded, fouled (however mildly) etc. It is the referees job to decide whether someone dives or not and then take appropriate action. Both major incidents which stopped us deservedly winning were observed at close quarters by the idiot official and got not just one wrong, but both; you couldn't make it up.
    But generally we don't. Giving one or two examples where Forest have fallen below your high standards does not wash with me; I see too many examples of almost criminal incompetence by refs to start trying to balance it up.
    We've been a dishonourable team for a long time, full of gamesmanship, haranguing the referee, cynical fouling, time wasting, diving etc etc.

    Let's get our house in order before we worry about others.

    The ref was poor but virtually every forum I kibitz is full of the same tales of woe. We are all myopic when it comes to our team and feel things just aren't going our way. Absolutely no reason to believe our paranoia is any more valid than others.


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    Calvin, to say we’ve been a dishonest team is unfair, we’ve just started doing what everyone else has been doing for years, we are just not very good at it.

    We were a team of pushovers and lightweights until recently where there has clearly been a directive to man up and not take any shit. Those of us who are aging supporters follow the ethos that BC put in place - you haven’t won anything if you cheated to gain it, which led to his and our “Dirty Leeds” gibes. Clough though created a team which included Burns and Lloyd amongst others and therefore not a team to be messed with.

    But it’s not 1979. Every team has someone who is a habitual diver or faker, it’s coached and deemed acceptable in 2019 - mores the pity'!


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    There is a clear difference between diving, going to ground to win a foul and drawing a foul. If there is real contact that forces the player to lose balance or control of the ball then it isn’t a dive.

    Gayle on Tuesday was a dive. No contact, just falling over (spectacularly) to fool the officials.
    Grabban on Saturday was not a dive. The Brentford player was pulling Grabban all over the place. Grabban couldn’t control the ball and went to ground and a penalty given.
    Some players will draw a foul by being too fleet of foot or by simply leaving a foot to be fouled- again this isn’t a dive.
    The purist may say that there’s no difference- but that’s the modern game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MON’y, MON’y, MON’y View Post
    There is a clear difference between diving, going to ground to win a foul and drawing a foul. If there is real contact that forces the player to lose balance or control of the ball then it isn’t a dive.

    Gayle on Tuesday was a dive. No contact, just falling over (spectacularly) to fool the officials.
    Grabban on Saturday was not a dive. The Brentford player was pulling Grabban all over the place. Grabban couldn’t control the ball and went to ground and a penalty given.
    Some players will draw a foul by being too fleet of foot or by simply leaving a foot to be fouled- again this isn’t a dive.
    The purist may say that there’s no difference- but that’s the modern game.
    Grabban was bearly touched, bearly enough to lose control of the ball & nowhere near enough to go to ground.

    The only thing left for Grabban to do was hit the floor. Even though he could have stayed on his feet. He dived.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Grabban was bearly touched, bearly enough to lose control of the ball & nowhere near enough to go to ground.

    The only thing left for Grabban to do was hit the floor. Even though he could have stayed on his feet. He dived.
    I'd agree that he dived, but there was certainly contact - the defender tried to link arms and eventually fell virtually on top of him.

    While I don't like to see it, it's fairly standard these days in the premier league - the forward feels contact and decides it warrants collapsing like a sack of spuds.

    As the penalty was saved and it didn't affect the result, there would be no point going on about it if it was an opponent doing it.

    Gayle dived despite Forest defenders refusing to give him an excuse - the ref may not have had a good view but as it was blatant from one angle and highlighted on TV, he got punished.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Grabban was bearly touched, bearly enough to lose control of the ball & nowhere near enough to go to ground.

    The only thing left for Grabban to do was hit the floor. Even though he could have stayed on his feet. He dived.
    From my view from the TE the defender had been man handling Grabban from outside the box and carried on until LG could no longer keep hold of the ball and went over (this is from memory so a replay could prove me wrong). I was surprised to see it given as many aren’t and also this had been happening all game outside of the box and the referee had ignored it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin Plummer View Post
    We've been a dishonourable team for a long time, full of gamesmanship, haranguing the referee, cynical fouling, time wasting, diving etc etc.

    Let's get our house in order before we worry about others.

    The ref was poor but virtually every forum I kibitz is full of the same tales of woe. We are all myopic when it comes to our team and feel things just aren't going our way. Absolutely no reason to believe our paranoia is any more valid than others.
    There have been games, particularly away from home where we get booked for our first or second foul challenge whereas the home side often gets the referee's grace for five or six similar challenges.
    We're actually not a dirty side and do no more than our fair share of gamesmanship. If we start to play after you football, it will get us nowhere.
    I think many of the recent yellow cards are because of our accumulated cards, a kind of self-fulfilling prophesy.
    There can't be many teams who have lost four points in two games because of the incompetence of the officials.

    I can't subscribe to a Reds fan calling us dishonourable. Stupid comment. Stupid. When people think of our history, they think of great football and loads of trophies. Even now, they appreciate our football.
    Why do you think we keep selling out at the City Ground? Certainly not because of the haranguing, gamesmanship, cynical fouling, time-wasting etc, which I honestly don't recognise. If we are that shit as a group of human beings, we all have a choice whether to go or not.


 

 

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