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    Pisses me off how people misuse apostrophe's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    One grammar question I need answering is this. When you are writing in quotation marks do they go before or after the full stop / question mark? It has been bugging me forever.

    Michael said "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off".

    or

    Michael said "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off."

    The top one looks right to me put when you introduce a question mark at the end of the sentence it looks like the ? should be within as it looks awkward outside.

    "Who blew the bloody doors off"?

    or

    "Who blew the bloody doors off?"

    The bottom one looks correct to me there but contradicts (in my tiny mind) what looks right above.

    Or does it not matter which way you decide to do it. It has been a long time since school
    In answer to your question, it depends upon the quotation cited.

    If a question is quoted directly, the quotation contains the question mark.

    Incorrect: "Look at that"! he exclaimed. "Did you see that"?
    Correct: "Look at that!" he exclaimed. "Did you see that?"


    A question mark can be found outside the quotation mark if the sentence is asking about a quotation, but the quotation itself is not a question.

    Incorrect: Did Mark Antony say, "Friends, Romans, countrymen?"
    (A question is not being quoted. The speaker is asking about a quotation.)
    Correct: Did Mark Antony say, "Friends, Romans, countrymen"?

    In the rare case where the question is about a quotation ending in a question, the sentence ends with a single question mark before the quotation mark.

    Incorrect: Who said, "Et tu, Bruté?"?
    (Second question mark redundant)
    Correct: Who said, "Et tu, Bruté?"

    See, so simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    In answer to your question, it depends upon the quotation cited.

    If a question is quoted directly, the quotation contains the question mark.

    Incorrect: "Look at that"! he exclaimed. "Did you see that"?
    Correct: "Look at that!" he exclaimed. "Did you see that?"


    A question mark can be found outside the quotation mark if the sentence is asking about a quotation, but the quotation itself is not a question.

    Incorrect: Did Mark Antony say, "Friends, Romans, countrymen?"
    (A question is not being quoted. The speaker is asking about a quotation.)
    Correct: Did Mark Antony say, "Friends, Romans, countrymen"?

    In the rare case where the question is about a quotation ending in a question, the sentence ends with a single question mark before the quotation mark.

    Incorrect: Who said, "Et tu, Bruté?"?
    (Second question mark redundant)
    Correct: Who said, "Et tu, Bruté?"

    See, so simple.
    That is brilliant actually. Thank you.

    Full stop always outside? Unless the quote spans sentences?


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    Default Re: The Apostrophe Catastrophe.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    One grammar question I need answering is this. When you are writing in quotation marks do they go before or after the full stop / question mark? It has been bugging me forever.

    Michael said "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off".

    or

    Michael said "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off."

    The top one looks right to me put when you introduce a question mark at the end of the sentence it looks like the ? should be within as it looks awkward outside.

    "Who blew the bloody doors off"?

    or

    "Who blew the bloody doors off?"

    The bottom one looks correct to me there but contradicts (in my tiny mind) what looks right above.

    Or does it not matter which way you decide to do it. It has been a long time since school
    Also there should always be a comma after the word before the opening speech marks.
    The comma gives the reader the instruction to pause slightly and highlight therefore the speech to come.
    Hence: Michael said,"you were only meant to blow the bloody doors off"!

    Note: I would use the exclamation mark to indicate to the reader that Michael was a bit peeved and his words came out as an exclamation, giving more energy to the quotation.

    And I use "quotation" as that is the noun.
    Quote, which is often used by people, is not a noun. It is a verb.

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    Default Re: The Apostrophe Catastrophe.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    That is brilliant actually. Thank you.

    Full stop always outside? Unless the quote spans sentences?
    Shows how much I fucking know

    Far too many too intelligent people on here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by T.B.T. View Post
    In answer to your question, it depends upon the quotation cited.

    If a question is quoted directly, the quotation contains the question mark.

    Incorrect: "Look at that"! he exclaimed. "Did you see that"?
    Correct: "Look at that!" he exclaimed. "Did you see that?"


    A question mark can be found outside the quotation mark if the sentence is asking about a quotation, but the quotation itself is not a question.

    Incorrect: Did Mark Antony say, "Friends, Romans, countrymen?"
    (A question is not being quoted. The speaker is asking about a quotation.)
    Correct: Did Mark Antony say, "Friends, Romans, countrymen"?

    In the rare case where the question is about a quotation ending in a question, the sentence ends with a single question mark before the quotation mark.

    Incorrect: Who said, "Et tu, Bruté?"?
    (Second question mark redundant)
    Correct: Who said, "Et tu, Bruté?"

    See, so simple.
    I shall have to seek out my "Grammar for Grown Ups" book, to confirm whether or not it concurs with your excellent and understandable explanations and illustrations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    That is brilliant actually. Thank you.

    Full stop always outside? Unless the quote spans sentences?
    QUOTATION... please.


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    Default Re: The Apostrophe Catastrophe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo View Post
    Pisses me off how people misuse apostrophe's.
    Piss's me off as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    I shall have to seek out my "Grammar for Grown Ups" book, to confirm whether or not it concurs with your excellent and understandable explanations and illustrations.
    I wish I could take credit for copying and pasting.

    It did, however, make sense and just provided examples illustrating what I believe to be true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Also there should always be a comma after the word before the opening speech marks.
    The comma gives the reader the instruction to pause slightly and highlight therefore the speech to come.
    Hence: Michael said,"you were only meant to blow the bloody doors off"!

    Note: I would use the exclamation mark to indicate to the reader that Michael was a bit peeved and his words came out as an exclamation, giving more energy to the quotation.

    And I use "quotation" as that is the noun.
    Quote, which is often used by people, is not a noun. It is a verb.
    Thanks. That is also something that has confused me before. It’s amazing what you learn on this forum.


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    Default Re: The Apostrophe Catastrophe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvar Hanso View Post
    Waterstones dropped the apostrophe in 2012.
    The bastard's.


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    Default Re: The Apostrophe Catastrophe.

    And how do we feel about splitting infinitives?
    To boldly go or to go boldly.
    As a traditionalist I favour the latter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    And how do we feel about splitting infinitives?
    To boldly go or to go boldly.
    As a traditionalist I favour the latter.
    What??

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    Default Re: The Apostrophe Catastrophe.

    Anyone else have a problem with dangling participles?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo View Post
    Anyone else have a problem with dangling participles?
    Apparently Under Armor Boxers are the best cure for that?


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    Sinister groups of Umlauts can be seen hanging around German road signs.


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    Fucking intellectuals and their grammar puns! Gets right on my colon. I want you all to end it now. Full stop!


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