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    Yeah, it's forgotten in the blaming of Milford and Gascoigne, the our goal ought to have been disallowed for a foul in the wall, and Lineker's goal that was disallowed wasn't offside.

    I replayed the build up on FA Cup Grandstand and the first half (because it was still Forest in the Cup Final) a lot as a kid. Always stopped at the half-time analysis where Des Lynam highlights those two incidents and says "so...1-0 to Spurs".

    Biggest Forest game I'll ever see Forest play. Back when it was still the biggest domestic football in the world, shown live in every country before the days of big football tv deals.

    Had never seen Forest in better form than they had been in the lead up to the game. We beat Spurs in the cup four times in six years around the time. We also complained about the advantage Spurs had by playing their semi at Wembley, yet Spurs' real home advantage never counted for anything at WHL - where we had a record of W8 D1 L1 over 10 games in the early nineties - so one less game than them at Wembley shouldn't have made any difference.

    Young team just froze. When Des scored the own goal, it had been coming for an hour. And we were beaten by a better team

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    Pearce's winner in the 1990 LC semi final should also have been disallowed, and we might not have won that competition. But good job it wasn't, an all-time great goal.

    In the 1990 LC Final build up John Sillett was a studio guest. When Welsby introduced him, he said something like Sillett might have been leading Coventry out today had the referee spotted Hodge's foul in the wall in the semi final. Sillett to his credit, said something about how much he'd wanted to reach the final, and ignored the set up to bitch about bad luck and refereeing decisions.


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    Yeah, I don’t think the wall was stopping that free kick regardless of what Hodge did but it could have given pulled up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by adam09 View Post
    Yeah, I don’t think the wall was stopping that free kick regardless of what Hodge did but it could have given pulled up.
    A fucking brick wall wouldn’t have stopped that free kick


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    I'd rather we had won the Cup Final, but there were some very sweet victories over Spurs at that time at least.

    Between Jan 86 and Mar 97 was

    P27 W16 D6 L5

    Our record at White Hart Lane in that time was

    P13 W10 D2 L1


    Remember that chant "We always beat Tottenham"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Yeah, it's forgotten in the blaming of Milford and Gascoigne, the our goal ought to have been disallowed for a foul in the wall, and Lineker's goal that was disallowed wasn't offside.

    I replayed the build up on FA Cup Grandstand and the first half (because it was still Forest in the Cup Final) a lot as a kid. Always stopped at the half-time analysis where Des Lynam highlights those two incidents and says "so...1-0 to Spurs".

    Biggest Forest game I'll ever see Forest play. Back when it was still the biggest domestic football in the world, shown live in every country before the days of big football tv deals.

    Had never seen Forest in better form than they had been in the lead up to the game. We beat Spurs in the cup four times in six years around the time. We also complained about the advantage Spurs had by playing their semi at Wembley, yet Spurs' real home advantage never counted for anything at WHL - where we had a record of W8 D1 L1 over 10 games in the early nineties - so one less game than them at Wembley shouldn't have made any difference.

    Young team just froze. When Des scored the own goal, it had been coming for an hour. And we were beaten by a better team
    You’re right, we didn’t turn that up day in fact we didn’t look right even at 1-0


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    You’re right, we didn’t turn that up day in fact we didn’t look right even at 1-0
    I agree, things never felt right that day. Even at extra time when Clough didn't gee them up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    I'd rather we had won the Cup Final, but there were some very sweet victories over Spurs at that time at least.

    Between Jan 86 and Mar 97 was

    P27 W16 D6 L5

    Our record at White Hart Lane in that time was

    P13 W10 D2 L1


    Remember that chant "We always beat Tottenham"?
    I still remember beating them when Nigel Clough got sent off. Plus they had to show Forest fans cheering in the Chas and Dave Christmas special during another one of their victories.

    Always enjoyed trips to Tottenham and on a corporate trip (the chas and Dave one) realised that as a club they hugely respected Forest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Youíre right, we didnít turn that up day in fact we didnít look right even at 1-0
    Only Hodge of the Forest side had been involved in an FA Cup Final before.

    In the Spurs side...van den Hauwe, Mabbutt, Lineker, Allen, Sedgley (albeit unused sub) had all been there before.

    FA Cup Final was different game to anything else with, including previous League Cup Finals, with all the hype, helicopters filming team buses, royalty and general pre match fuss. Everybody watched that one game like they do the Superbowl in the States. Leaving out Hodge, Laws and Jemson for Keane, Charles and Glover made us look in hindsight very inexperienced compared to Spurs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by siforest65 View Post
    I still remember beating them when Nigel Clough got sent off. Plus they had to show Forest fans cheering in the Chas and Dave Christmas special during another one of their victories.

    Always enjoyed trips to Tottenham and on a corporate trip (the chas and Dave one) realised that as a club they hugely respected Forest.
    When we played Spurs in the League Cup four years ago, I was reading their forum. One fan posted something about leaving the ground after Forest had beaten them in the League Cup at WHL in 1990. His Dad just told him this Forest team is how you want your side to play football. Arsenal were champions with 1-0 wins and offside traps, so it probably felt good to praise anybody but them. But other fans often liked Forest at that time.

    Away at Spurs played to Forest's strengths. Venables played open attacking football, didn't have the team to dominate like Liverpool did, and would give up chances. Same vice versa at the CG, made for some of the best games of football. If you were a Spurs season ticket holder around the time, you must have gone to Spurs v Forest at WHL half expecting to get schooled in classic two touch counter attacking football.

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    How often the story the fortunes of NFFC returns to that afternoon - it was the club's "Sliding Doors" moment.

    Gascoigne gets sent off . 80 minutes against 10 men gives the likelihood of a Forest win.

    Clough completes the full house of domestic management trophies - he's won everything.

    He retires the following day, cup atop his living room telly in the traditional style.

    He doesn't spend a season losing the battle with alcohol.

    He doesn't lose the plot somewhat.

    We don't get relegated by Sheffield United.

    We stay ON the newly-formed Premier League money train rather than falling off at the first station.

    How different it could have been.

    Fuck you, Milford. Fuck you Gascoigne.
    I'm still pissed about Anderlecht.

    People tell me these things "even themselves out".

    Still waiting.

    By "relegation battle", do you mean 7th, 12th or 14th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    We’re shit at Wembley if the weather is shit, if it’s a nice sunny day then we usually win the cup
    Wembley, what's a Wembley?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipstones Pye Eater View Post
    Wembley, what's a Wembley?!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagman View Post
    How often the story the fortunes of NFFC returns to that afternoon - it was the club's "Sliding Doors" moment.

    Gascoigne gets sent off . 80 minutes against 10 men gives the likelihood of a Forest win.

    Clough completes the full house of domestic management trophies - he's won everything.

    He retires the following day, cup atop his living room telly in the traditional style.

    He doesn't spend a season losing the battle with alcohol.

    He doesn't lose the plot somewhat.

    We don't get relegated by Sheffield United.

    We stay ON the newly-formed Premier League money train rather than falling off at the first station.

    How different it could have been.

    Fuck you, Milford. Fuck you Gascoigne.
    I'm still pissed about Anderlecht.

    People tell me these things "even themselves out".

    Still waiting.
    Must admit, in my more reflective, gloomy moments, my thoughts go something like that, too.


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    Was a strange day.

    Felt so confident going into the final, then heard the teamsheet, watched Gazza kick lumps out of our players and get away with it by that imbecile ref, noticed the body language wasnít right from the off.

    Roy Keane even admitted many years later that he wasnít at it that day because he was more worried about his family/friends that couldnít get tickets or something like that.

    The game itself seemed to drag on for ages and just never felt like we were in it. The free kick to send us 1-0 up didnít even make me feel comfortable.

    One of those ĎI wish I hadnít watched ití games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy22 View Post
    Was a strange day.



    Roy Keane even admitted many years later that he wasn’t at it that day
    Seem to remember him being 'at it' with Justin Edinburgh on a couple of occasions.


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    I never understand why people talk of 91 as a sliding doors moment which sent us on a downward spiral. A completely rejuvenated Forest finished 3rd in the Premier league four years later and 9th the season after. With better management of the club we could easily have pushed on from that position of strength. 95/96 was the sliding doors moment if you need one.

    And as Francis points out, if you take the red tinted blinkers off it wasn't just Spurs who benefited from a bit of cheating in that final. We were all gutted not to win it and for Clough to get the full house, but it wasn't to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    It's all out of context now.

    https://youtu.be/NJb2K9Zj96k

    Blades got a talking too here, and nobody would have expected any more, when it would have been straight red now no questions asked.

    I know Pearce got booked, but what a challenge.

    There was a consensus back then, Gaza's or whoever, that nobody wants to see a player sent off in the first 15 minutes of a Cup Final. Ref would have castigated for not using 'common sense'. Fans would have echoed that too, all but the Forest fans. Rules have changed, and views have changed. Now the occasion, or the time in the match is not taken into consideration. Then the majority believed it should be.

    In your YouTube clip you have posted,the ref is called Joe Worrall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnewton_1988 View Post
    In your YouTube clip you have posted,the ref is called Joe Worrall.
    Yeah, I know. We're all trapped in a Championship Manager 96 matrix. There's only so many names in the database, they just get recycled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    It's all out of context now.

    https://youtu.be/NJb2K9Zj96k

    Blades got a talking too here, and nobody would have expected any more, when it would have been straight red now no questions asked.

    I know Pearce got booked, but what a challenge.

    There was a consensus back then, Gaza's or whoever, that nobody wants to see a player sent off in the first 15 minutes of a Cup Final. Ref would have castigated for not using 'common sense'. Fans would have echoed that too, all but the Forest fans. Rules have changed, and views have changed. Now the occasion, or the time in the match is not taken into consideration. Then the majority believed it should be.
    That tackle from McMinn on Rice too, would be a definite red card now and rightly so. Didn't even get booked.

    Football has changed a lot in the last 30 years but the fact that being able to literally commit GBH on another player and get away with it has been taken away is definitely a good thing IMO.


 

 

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