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    Default Appropriate number of games ?

    This season has obviously started as somewhat of a wet fart. It seems that almost every threads culminates in two or three posters denigrating any criticism by virtue of:

    “Anyone making conclusions after three games is an idiot”
    “People stupid enough to write us off after four games clearly know nothing”
    “If people on here want to base their opinions on five games they should feck off”
    “People slating the team after six games clearly aren’t real fans”

    Etc

    So, without any sense of irony, is there an officially accepted number of games where criticism is good to go?

    Genuine question


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    No there is nothing “official”


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    I'm of the opinion that if you're going to post an opinion on a public internet forum then you should expect people who disagree to do so. If you're overwhelmed or upset by a lot of people disagreeing with you then don't start crying about it, maybe this whole thing isn't for you.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    People can criticise all they like, it's their opinion after all.

    But it's also my opinion that anyone who thinks 7 league games with an entirely new squad, some of whom haven't even played in a Forest shirt yet, is enough time to start moaning, questioning the manager, tactics or any other little thing they can conjure up to have a moan about is wrong and especially if they attempt to qualify their bollocks by pussying out and saying stuff like "I don't want the manager sacked but..."


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by adam09 View Post
    I'm of the opinion that if you're going to post an opinion on a public internet forum then you should expect people who disagree to do so. If you're overwhelmed or upset by a lot of people disagreeing with you then don't start crying about it, maybe this whole thing isn't for you.
    Not sure if you’re posing that at me fella. I have only been to two games and have no ability to comment positively or negatively outside of that. In truth I’m very disappointed thus far, but you’ll struggle to find me posting owt. It’s a genuine question.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BringBackJemo View Post
    This season has obviously started as somewhat of a wet fart. It seems that almost every threads culminates in two or three posters denigrating any criticism by virtue of:

    “Anyone making conclusions after three games is an idiot”
    “People stupid enough to write us off after four games clearly know nothing”
    “If people on here want to base their opinions on five games they should feck off”
    “People slating the team after six games clearly aren’t real fans”

    Etc

    So, without any sense of irony, is there an officially accepted number of games where criticism is good to go?

    Genuine question
    Who are these quotes from?


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    I always say 10-12 games gives you an idea of things, but the 15 game mark paints a realistic picture of where things are probably headed (can change of course)

    After 15 games - 23pts under Clark, 31pts under Harry, 24pts under Hart, 24pts under Davies.

    So I think that, for a promotion challenging season, by the time you've hit 15 games you should have at least 20pts in the bag.

    Not saying it still can't happen if you don't mind.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    we need to give a manager at least a whole season.....just for once please before we judge and he's sacked before having the chance to build a squad and get them playing his way


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by adam09 View Post
    I'm of the opinion that if you're going to post an opinion on a public internet forum then you should expect people who disagree to do so. If you're overwhelmed or upset by a lot of people disagreeing with you then don't start crying about it, maybe this whole thing isn't for you.
    I agree with that 100%.
    I also see the OP's point in that Karanka deserves critisism over his reign to date, 2 transfer windows and we are a bit tighter at the back and a bit weaker going forwards which ain't really a lot for £30 odd million spent plus the value of the loanees bolstering the squad yet he is, in general beyond critisism. I think that we need to give him the season, whilst keeping a close eye on his transfer targets before making a definitive judgement.
    I would be happier if everyone stopped pissing on my head and telling me it's raining though.


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    I'll be sticking to my start judging in October line of thought that I've had since January.

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    I think with a squad with this many new players, the manager has to have more time to sort things. It's perfectly reasonable to allow that, however I do understand those questioning how little progress we're making, having spent a huge amount in one transfer window. That added weight of expectation comes with the territory of being a manager who's spent that much.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    How we have done by the end of game 7 is an appropriate point to make a judgement.
    And as we are in 15th position with only 1 win, and a poor goals scored record I think the fat lady ought to be warming up her vocal chords...


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    I think game 23 or Christmas, whichever comes first.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    In my honest and often unwelcome opinion:

    It is appropriate to begin to critique a manager's recruitment when he makes his first signing
    It is appropriate to begin to critique a manaer's style of football or decision making after his first game in charge and continue to assess and offer fair praise and criticism throughout his tenure
    It always appropriate to question whether or not the manager is making progress against his own stated aims
    It is appropriate to call for a manager's head after his first full season or the point at which relegation becomes a realistic possibility
    & it is always appropriate for anyone to disagree with anyone else's opinion in a calm and respectful manner.

    It is not appropriate to shout Karanka out or boo the squad in September
    It is not appropriate to question others' support or credentials as a fan or imply that they are idiots because they have different opinions.

    We would do well to remember what a forum is for. It would be incredibly boring if we all agreed on everything.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    I think we’ve been poor in some games so far this season but we have also shown signs of massive progress and yesterday’s point is another example of that. We just need to show some consistency with effort commitment and energy whilst realising that the next game (home v Wednesday) will be a completely different proposition to yesterday. Every good performance so far this season has been followed by a disappointing one due to the set up of the opposition being completely different and ours has been the same - 2 holding in midfield and 1 up top. If we can dominate games the rest will follow and we certainly should not consider changing the manager until the end of the season and review everything


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    46.

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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    46.
    2/3's of the way there.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowerBridgfordHerts View Post
    In my honest and often unwelcome opinion:

    It is appropriate to begin to critique a manager's recruitment when he makes his first signing
    It is appropriate to begin to critique a manaer's style of football or decision making after his first game in charge and continue to assess and offer fair praise and criticism throughout his tenure
    It always appropriate to question whether or not the manager is making progress against his own stated aims
    It is appropriate to call for a manager's head after his first full season or the point at which relegation becomes a realistic possibility
    & it is always appropriate for anyone to disagree with anyone else's opinion in a calm and respectful manner.

    It is not appropriate to shout Karanka out or boo the squad in September
    It is not appropriate to question others' support or credentials as a fan or imply that they are idiots because they have different opinions.

    We would do well to remember what a forum is for. It would be incredibly boring if we all agreed on everything.
    It is also appropriate not to wind people up or goad other posters just because their view differs to yours. Again that is part of being a forum.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    It is also appropriate not to wind people up or goad other posters just because their view differs to yours. Again that is part of being a forum.
    I actually don't think people on here realise a lot of what I say is tongue in cheek or taking the piss out of my own negative outlook. (example being my joke about negative fans yesterday).

    It probably works better with people that know me in real life and understand my sense of humour. Or maybe I have to start putting some sort of sarcasm marker in posts.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowerBridgfordHerts View Post
    I actually don't think people on here realise a lot of what I say is tongue in cheek or taking the piss out of my own negative outlook. (example being my joke about negative fans yesterday).

    It probably works better with people that know me in real life and understand my sense of humour. Or maybe I have to start putting some sort of sarcasm marker in posts.
    Or maybe you should learn a lesson from LostThatLovingFeeling and not go deliberately posting negative comments and winding people up all the time?

    Hiding behind 'It's my sense of humour' isn't really a good enough excuse is it?


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    42,

    but we need to find the question ?


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    I think the fact he’s already had half a season makes this tricky. I’d like to say Christmas though but the only way you can’t judge is by not giving a shit. He should definitely get a full season though even if he takes us down, I just think it would be healthy to get a whole season out of the way (it’s only time and money after all) and we seem to have shed loads of both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stockers View Post
    I think the fact he’s already had half a season makes this tricky. I’d like to say Christmas though but the only way you can’t judge is by not giving a shit. He should definitely get a full season though even if he takes us down, I just think it would be healthy to get a whole season out of the way (it’s only time and money after all) and we seem to have shed loads of both.
    I would agree, but only because I cannot see even a small chance of us going down. But he should get the full season to at least implement his methods.


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    Default Re: Appropriate number of games ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryde Red View Post
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    but we need to find the question ?
    How many games can a God-like manager go unbeaten?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    How many games can a God-like manager go unbeaten?
    Lee flare sent up.


 

 

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