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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Gerasimos Manolidis does, actually, but he is well-connected with agents and has had several scoops this summer.

    Since the transfer window is closed, Ansarifard will probably come to you as a free agent, with us maintaining a hefty sell-on clause. It is a good move for you but a very wrong move for us.

    I understand taking money and resources from the right pocket to put it in the left one, but fans of the right pocket will start feeling itchy if this continues.
    If he was out of contract and planned to run his 12 months down wouldn't you have been out of pocket? This way we get a player we need for free, he gets a big pay rise next to what he is used to and if he does well you get a good fee.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    He'd have had to have had his contract terminated before 5pm yesterday to sign for us now, would he not? Hope this is true, would go some way to easing our worries upfront.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    If he was out of contract and planned to run his 12 months down wouldn't you have been out of pocket? This way we get a player we need for free, he gets a big pay rise next to what he is used to and if he does well you get a good fee.
    As I said yesterday, Ansarifard is not a player we wanted to get rid of. It was his manager who was very keen on his transfer, not us, hence we asked for a shitload of money to let him go. And now we're letting him go for free. From Marinakis' point of view it's a perfectly rational move, for the point of view of Olympiacos FC it's not good.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Gerasimos Manolidis does, actually, but he is well-connected with agents and has had several scoops this summer.

    Since the transfer window is closed, Ansarifard will probably come to you as a free agent, with us maintaining a hefty sell-on clause. It is a good move for you but a very wrong move for us.

    I understand taking money and resources from the right pocket to put it in the left one, but fans of the right pocket will start feeling itchy if this continues.
    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    If he was out of contract and planned to run his 12 months down wouldn't you have been out of pocket? This way we get a player we need for free, he gets a big pay rise next to what he is used to and if he does well you get a good fee.
    I probably disagree it being a wrong move unless you donít have any strikers to cover.

    If he does bang 15+ goals in this season, he instantly becomes a striker worth £8m+ in the championship. If you retain a 50% sell on percentage, youíve both saved on his wages for a season (you said 500k right?) and get anywhere from £4m to £7.5m in fee. Forest get the same and then another 15-25% sell on fee.

    Itís a gamble, but if it pays off both clubs get a big return.


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    Looks like the sort AK will like.

    Is he decent in the air?

    As much as we want him to be a threat in the opposition box, another player who is decent at defending corners/set pieces would be well received.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    He'd have had to have had his contract terminated before 5pm yesterday to sign for us now, would he not? Hope this is true, would go some way to easing our worries upfront.
    As I again said yesterday, this is not a problem. We just tell the Greek Federation to cancel his contract retrospectively. Usually it works like that: we kept a number open in the system yesterday afternoon, and made the paperwork today.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Iím not sure how they would structure a deal to give Olympiakos a sell-on. Even before 5pm yesterday we could only loan or sign free transfers, and as part-ownership is prohibited in English football, Olympiakos wouldnít be able to release him and maintain a financial interest in him.

    Maybe they loaned/released him to us before 5pm yesterday and weíve been dealing with the work permit etc since then?

    With EM owning both clubs, itís probably a gentlemanís agreement type deal. Like if we get promoted, we pay a £7m loan fee for an u-23 player in lieu of Ansarifardís fee, or before we sell him on we free transfer him to Olympiakos and the buying club pay Oly the fee?

    I wouldnít be worried about either club, itís clearly in EMís interest to have both clubs doing well, on the pitch and financially.

    This is a good move for us though, and gives us plenty of depth up front.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by MXJ View Post
    I probably disagree it being a wrong move unless you don’t have any strikers to cover.
    That's the only mitigating factor: we have three actually, two of them similar in style to him. Football-wise, his departure is not a great loss, I was only talking about business.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    Looks like the sort AK will like.

    Is he decent in the air?

    As much as we want him to be a threat in the opposition box, another player who is decent at defending corners/set pieces would be well received.
    Not really. He's more like Brereton than like Murphy.


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    I guess if he was out of contract and another club didn't come in to pay the fee wanted, he would be likely to walk away for nothing anyway.

    This way can see Oly still benefit financially in the future.

    It's just a case of whether they would rather potentially benefit financially in the future, or have him for 6 months and potentially lose him for nothing at all - which presents better value to Oly?


    I guess the hope is, this season or next, we get promoted to the Prem and then Oly probably start to really benefit from this arrangement. We suddenly become a very rich club and the benefits of which can see Oly receive players from us.

    Not to say we're a bigger club than Oly, just the money which the Prem generates and the opportunities squad wise.

    Edit - Still can't fully understand why Vellios didn't end up there on loan, EM likes him and he'd be a cheap squad member.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Personal gossip: Ansarifard married a couple of weeks ago with a young Greek businesswoman, offspring of a rich shipping family. I wonder if this helps him with the work permit over there.



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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Blimey didn't expect this to go through at all. Maybe international clearance or work permit as Chris said y'day held it up so they didn't wanna announce anything last night and be left with egg on their face if it didn't go through?


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    I'm stuck in work, can someone do a quick summary of the state of this please? Has he signed? Is it announced? Who is reporting etc? Facts only, ta. x

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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by ReDias View Post
    I'm stuck in work, can someone do a quick summary of the state of this please? Has he signed? Is it announced? Who is reporting etc? Facts only, ta. x
    Nothing official yet but reported by the Greek media and one journo in particular who GBG says is well connected.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    As I again said yesterday, this is not a problem. We just tell the Greek Federation to cancel his contract retrospectively. Usually it works like that: we kept a number open in the system yesterday afternoon, and made the paperwork today.
    I would imagine it also helps having a former Greek Federation CEO in Michael Anagnostou on our books.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    And now we're letting him go for free. From Marinakis' point of view it's a perfectly rational move, for the point of view of Olympiacos FC it's not good.
    Maybe, but if Karim comes in and scores a bag full of goals, firing us to the Premier League I would say Oly would get a fair amount off benefits long term. I do see the frustration short term though.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    Maybe, but if Karim comes in and scores a bag full of goals, firing us to the Premier League I would say Oly would get a fair amount off benefits long term. I do see the frustration short term though.
    The frustration is not very acute because Karim's departure was pretty much certain to happen. His agent (Dejaga's agent, incidentally) pressed very hard either for a transfer or for a very significant raise since last January, and all media agreed that he would go this summer. In fact, the Spanish striker we signed in, Guerrero, has very similar characteristics with Ansarifard, so I think that the club pretty much knew that he would be gone.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    To be fair this place and Twitter would be nuclear if the reverse happened and we let Oly have a striker who top scored last season with 18 in 27.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    We are not frustrated at all. We knew he is going to leave.
    As GBG said the problem is that this is done for free. but OK, it is understood that there are issues to be taken care of financially.
    So I don't care a lot personally on this. But I would like a replacement from the free agents.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    So presumably as it's now the weekend the club won't announce anything until all the necessary work permits etc. go through and the respective FA's complete player registration stuff which I guess will have to wait until next week?

    Does beg the question though why a standard loan, convert to transfer arrangement wasn't agreed between the clubs in the window anyway? The 'cloak and dagger' stuff does add far more intrigue though!


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Itís probably based on what happens with regard to other moves - most likely Brereton. That has to happen for this to, and that was fairly late in the day. Who knows?


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Nicholas Randall is ironing his tie as we speak.

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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Nicholas Randall is ironing his tie as we speak.
    Perfectionist. Like it.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Karim Ansarifard

    Is this happening or what


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