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    For those who have issues with our leader. Fill your boots. The caviat being you keep it clean, sensible and nothing slanderous, if you cant be any of these keep away as you will lose the privilige of this platform and it will be locked. I dont believe it will be long, so prove me wrong


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    All I can say is what I've said before. He's had 15 games at the end of a season where we weren't going to go up or down, he hasn't had a full transfer window or a pre-season yet.

    That's all I'll write here. Good luck to those who want to try and change anyone's mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J'Psycho'C66 View Post
    He's had 15 games at the end of a season where we weren't going to go up or down, he hasn't had a full transfer window or a pre-season yet.
    This is the key point I reckon.

    Cards on the table - I'm worried about the football we might see next year. Winning matches playing a sensible style of football is something I'm massively in favour of. Losing matches playing a sensible style of football puts the manager in a very tricky position. "Sensible" becomes "boring" or "negative". It's not going to draw fans or create excitement unless we're challenging at the correct end of the table.

    The recruitment absolutely has to be perfect. We need pace in the side, a proven goalscorer or two, a proper left-sided defender. As well as all the other improvements which could be made elsewhere.

    Karanka has shown his quality with Middlesbrough. His philosophy will not change overnight which means we will probably still have the same mentality on the pitch next season. The key for Karanka to keep the majority onside is to make sure we win reasonably regularly. If we struggle, which we will at times, people will probably not have as much patience with him as they would with a different manager with an alternative (exciting) football philosophy.

    Karanka is here to get results and the onus is on him to do that. But we need to give him a chance to do that during pre-season with the squad additions we so desperately need.


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    He's got the pedigree, he's got the defensive acumen & he's incorporated enough attacking play for balance to get a side out this league.

    Thats the brief, he's recruited some good players into the side & he'll continue to build on that in the summer. Contrary to popular belief, he hasn't made us worse, he's certainly made us more resilient.

    He should be judged on his performance next season.


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    I was prepared to judge Warburton on something more than results because was he was trying to achieve seemed to be building in the long term interests of the club.

    I accept that bringing in someone like Karanka is because we want results and nothing more. So I'm judging him on results and nothing more. And the results have not been good enough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    I was prepared to judge Warburton on something more than results because was he was trying to achieve seemed to be building in the long term interests of the club.

    I accept that bringing in someone like Karanka is because we want results and nothing more. So I'm judging him on results and nothing more. And the results have not been good enough.
    Can you really build something sustainable without defending? What Warburton has actually achieved suggests not.

    Although a bit premature The counter Question is can Karanka build owt sustainable without scoring, what Karanka has actually achieved suggests he can.

    Those margins are fine, but history suggests this is the way to get promoted. It may cost more, it may be at the expense of the football.

    I think thats the theory, will it come off, fuck knows


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    Fine margins eh?

    Stating the bleedin obvious here:
    Itís about balance. If you donít concede- you donít lose. But we arenít going to keep 46 clean sheets a season. If you donít score- you donít win. But weíre unlikely to score in every game.

    Believe it or not though- itís statistically harder to keep a clean sheet than it is to score. So perhaps AK should accept that we need to get some goals?

    Iíll give him the precious commodity of time to get the balance right though.



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    Just waiting on an AK dementors thread myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arctic Samuel View Post
    Just waiting on an AK dementors thread myself.

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    Default Re: The AK dissenters thread

    Who else would you put in charge, and how long would you give them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jah View Post
    Who else would you put in charge, and how long would you give them?
    Pep Guardiola, and if we havenít won the league by the international break in September, he can fuck off.


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    What we're seeing at the moment is the consequence of replacing a manager in January.

    A lot of stale performances from a group in transition, where the slackers know they've no future and are being piggybacked along by those who want to be here.

    Really can't wait until the summer when Karanka has a chance to destroy and rebuild properly.


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    Im unsure where to write this but here seems most appropriate, ive seen on twitter allot of criticisms of AK recently and they all made me laugh, the criticisms are exactly what i expected because our fan base are so damn predictable I even posted what they would bw on another thread.

    So far criticisms are:
    1. Changing the way we play to suit the opposition, a plan B some might say
    2. Playing too defensive
    3. Signing too many players in January
    4. Its and entertainment business and we should play to entertain (not a results based business now)

    There are others but i chose the 4 parallels to the previous boss to make a point, it doesnt matter what we do as long as we don't win every game people will always moan, even if what they are moaning about contradicts what they were previously moaning about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Can you really build something sustainable without defending? What Warburton has actually achieved suggests not.
    Probably not, but I could at least take some entertainment from the style of football being played.

    Right now we're losing and the football is dire.


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    I'm prepared to write off the form of the moment, this season is done with now anyway.

    My only worry now is that Karanka is going to go on a massive rebuild job in summer, and will spend as much as he can possibly can to get us moving.

    What happens if it doesn't work out? What's our fall back plan? It's been years since any manager was given a large amount of money to build the side in his image - that guy was Billy Davies, and the club has been paying for that largess ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Can you really build something sustainable without defending? What Warburton has actually achieved suggests not.

    Although a bit premature The counter Question is can Karanka build owt sustainable without scoring, what Karanka has actually achieved suggests he can.

    Those margins are fine, but history suggests this is the way to get promoted. It may cost more, it may be at the expense of the football.

    I think thats the theory, will it come off, fuck knows
    The problem is MW wasn't given time to finish any of his projects so its purely conjecture, if Ak had been sacked as the owners wanted to go in a different direction you could quite easily say the same about him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Pep Guardiola, and if we haven’t won the league by the international break in September, he can fuck off.
    He can do one anyway, we want someone who can beat Liverscum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Probably not, but I could at least take some entertainment from the style of football being played.

    Right now we're losing and the football is dire.
    Taker the point on results, its difficult to contest the results are mixed.

    The footballs evolved since Millwall away. We've gone from being steadfast at the back with nothing going forward, to resolute at the back & plenty of chances created & missed.

    Karankas short term impact has seen mixed results, but the defensive element to our game looks drilled & we're showing signs of life going forward. Theres an ethos of play there, ready for some bigger hitters to come & execute it next season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    the defensive element to our game looks drilled
    Except for set-pieces.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arctic Samuel View Post
    Just waiting on an AK dementors thread myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    The problem is MW wasn't given time to finish any of his projects so its purely conjecture, if Ak had been sacked as the owners wanted to go in a different direction you could quite easily say the same about him.
    How many times do we have to explain that?

    Standards, standards, standards. It's all about stadards. The damage some are doing AK's chances now by STILL trying to paint Warbs as "bad" is just laughable.

    Whatever he does he'll get compared to warbs now. Give him a chance by accepting the Warbs sacking was wrong, & thus so would an AK sacking be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    The problem is MW wasn't given time to finish any of his projects so its purely conjecture, if Ak had been sacked as the owners wanted to go in a different direction you could quite easily say the same about him.
    Absolutely, if AK couldn't score a goal after a summer window & 9 months of input, Id be gutted he'd gone, but Id totally understand the decision. The only difference between our viewpoints is the time frames allowable in modern day football.

    The new owners set the timescales, they clearly have ambition beyond long drawn out blueprints. To that end, it aint wrong to sack either if they're not fulfilling the brief. The only way to change that mentality is stick your hand in your pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    The problem is MW wasn't given time to finish any of his projects so its purely conjecture,
    So if you refer to the respective CVs you can see a Championship promotion on Karankas.

    Probably why he's here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    So if you refer to the respective CVs you can see a Championship promotion on Karankas.

    Probably why he's here.
    But if you look at the time they both spent at their retrospective clubs ak 3 years at Boro 1st taking over, 2nd playoffs, 3rd promotion, MW 1st Promotion, 2nd playoffs, 3rd wasn't renewed due to owners gping down the money ball route, had he had the 3rd season then maybe he too has that promotion, its no coincidence that Brentford haven't beens anywhere near as high as that season.

    Essentially AK was allowed to finish his job MW wasn't


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