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    I think AK has encourage our full-backs to tuck in, and to stop teams coming through the middle of us, has decided to make the centre 4 really strong. When we're under pressure Watson, Colback, Toby and Fox really congest the box. I think AK believes you're stronger letting them put it in the box then letting them cut inside the box. Possibly why two artily dominant if slightly immobile CB's in Ayala and Gibson were so successful under him. And why I think Toby and Dawson would be real strong too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    I think AK has encourage our full-backs to tuck in, and to stop teams coming through the middle of us, has decided to make the centre 4 really strong. When we're under pressure Watson, Colback, Toby and Fox really congest the box. I think AK believes you're stronger letting them put it in the box then letting them cut inside the box. Possibly why two artily dominant if slightly immobile CB's in Ayala and Gibson were so successful under him. And why I think Toby and Dawson would be real strong too.
    I am a bit wary of wanting Dawson to come back.
    He is 34 now I think and we have had enough of ageing players in the past.
    Don't get me wrong, I do like Dawson, but I don't think he has more than a season maybe.
    I think Fox and Toby have been a revelation together.
    Give them a decent pair of full-backs and keep Watson and Colback and I think defensively we will be very strong next season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    I am a bit wary of wanting Dawson to come back.
    He is 34 now I think and we have had enough of ageing players in the past.
    Don't get me wrong, I do like Dawson, but I don't think he has more than a season maybe.
    I think Fox and Toby have been a revelation together.
    Give them a decent pair of full-backs and keep Watson and Colback and I think defensively we will be very strong next season.
    Like I said days ago, it's either Fox or Dawson. I don't think Fox's form was easily predicted by Karanka; whatever he did in the past in the CB position, he seemed clearly a player on his way out, and given the uncertainty about Figueiredo (who, let's not forget, was not Karanka's choice, but a club choice), he made a move for Dawson.

    So in a sense both Figureido and Fox (and the chemistry between them) proved a success story more than Karanka had anticipated. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make a move for Dawson in the summer.


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    If Benny is the answer I’d like to know what the question is.
    Name a player who can have a run of bad games and some wont see it?

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    Name a player who does everything, without having an impact


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    Osborn has filled a gap but there is a reason that teams are almost exclusively attacking down that side.

    Look through highlights of goals and chances we have conceeded recently. They are almost always coming down that side of our defence. A decent stop gap is not the same as an established specialist left back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clifford View Post
    Osborn has filled a gap but there is a reason that teams are almost exclusively attacking down that side.

    Look through highlights of goals and chances we have conceeded recently. They are almost always coming down that side of our defence. A decent stop gap is not the same as an established specialist left back.
    We have a history of supposed specialist left-backs who were less effective than a stop-gap - Danny Fox himself, Armand Traore, Gino Padula, Dan Harding...


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    We have a history of supposed specialist left-backs who were less effective than a stop-gap - Danny Fox himself, Armand Traore, Gino Padula, Dan Harding...
    We've had bad players in every position. Doesn't change the fact that if we want to improve we need good players used in their favoured position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clifford View Post
    Look through highlights of goals and chances we have conceeded recently. They are almost always coming down that side of our defence.
    Really? From my recollection we've conceded four goals in the five games since he moved to left-back; one was a header from a corner; a header direct from a cross from our right, and a six-yard-box scramble following another ball in from our right.

    I don't quite recall, however, if the goal from the right-side of our 18-yard-box that Reading scored originated from a cross that Osborn failed to stop, so if it was Clifford, I'll happily concede you that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clifford View Post
    Osborn has filled a gap but there is a reason that teams are almost exclusively attacking down that side.

    Look through highlights of goals and chances we have conceeded recently. They are almost always coming down that side of our defence. A decent stop gap is not the same as an established specialist left back.
    The Norwich game was most telling, however most on here won't have seen that game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    I am a bit wary of wanting Dawson to come back.
    He is 34 now I think and we have had enough of ageing players in the past.
    Don't get me wrong, I do like Dawson, but I don't think he has more than a season maybe.
    I think Fox and Toby have been a revelation together.
    Give them a decent pair of full-backs and keep Watson and Colback and I think defensively we will be very strong next season.
    Good shout Cap.

    Back for this season now? Yeah, all part of the transition & worth a gamble. Back for a promotion push? Not so sure.

    That said, Walker's return worked well, so I'll trust in the manager's judgement on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garibaldi View Post
    The Norwich game was most telling, however most on here won't have seen that game.
    I didn't see that game, but I've seen the last four actual goals we've conceded, and which Clifford suggests originated from mistakes by Osborn. The recorded evidence absolutely confirms otherwise that at least three of them weren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Good shout Cap.

    Back for this season now? Yeah, all part of the transition & worth a gamble. Back for a promotion push? Not so sure.

    That said, Walker's return worked well, so I'll trust in the manager's judgement on this one.
    Exactly the way I think, I'd have had him back in January because there was no way I could've foreseen Tobi being as good as he is, nor him and Fox building this partnership.

    I could see it from the pov that he'll be another leader in the dressing room. I saw an interview with John Terry on YouTube last night talking about how Mourinho used to allow him, Lampard, Drogba, Cech and Ivanovic to pretty much run the changing room, so they'd be the ones handing out fines for lateness, dealing with other player issues, helping the youngsters etc. Karanka has said in the press that he wants a changing room full of leaders so I wonder whether he's picked this method up from his time with Mourinho.

    Dawson as a player I'm very iffy about. Dawson as a leader, no worries.


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    In honesty we need attacking full backs if we're playing a solid four in the middle. Isn't Gabriel a quick full back he might be worth a chance at the end of the season to see how good he is?


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    Should have got a proper left back last Summer. Relying on a crock like Traore & Lichaj on his wrong foot was a poor decision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Should have got a proper left back last Summer. Relying on a crock like Traore & Lichaj on his wrong foot was a poor decision.
    What stopped us from getting on in Jan?

    We signed virtually a whole new first 11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    What stopped us from getting on in Jan?

    We signed virtually a whole new first 11
    Dunno, January is traditionally a more difficult time to recruit, maybe Karanka prioritised other areas in the short space of time he had to evaluate.

    Doesnt alter the fact it was a poor decision in the Summer does it? That was the point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Dunno, January is traditionally a more difficult time to recruit, maybe Karanka prioritised other areas in the short space of time he had to evaluate.

    Doesnt alter the fact it was a poor decision in the Summer does it? That was the point.
    The summer the club was surrounded in uncertainty & change, in Jan we'd taken several big steps forward over several months.

    If it was a poor decision in the summer, it was just as poor in Jan.

    No point bringing someone here to sure up the defence, if they're not gonna sure up the defence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    The summer the club was surrounded in uncertainty & change,
    He bought a RB we didnt necessarily need.

    Sorry Alf, but 2 RBs & a crocked LB, knowing that McKay & Carayol could well be playing in front of him. Its a poor decision.

    Sometimes you just have to accept it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    He bought a RB we didnt necessarily need.

    Sorry Alf, but 2 RBs & a crocked LB, knowing that McKay & Carayol could well be playing in front of him. Its a poor decision.

    Sometimes you just have to accept it.
    Not saying it wasn't, just saying it was equally as poor in Jan when that was the situation, and instead of sorting a LB we bough in an excess amount of players who haven't even played yet, or barely played at all.

    The LB position has been an issue for ages. To attribute not sorting down to one window is fairly laughble mate. Especially the window the club was sold in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    He bought a RB we didnt necessarily need.

    Sorry Alf, but 2 RBs & a crocked LB, knowing that McKay & Carayol could well be playing in front of him. Its a poor decision.

    Sometimes you just have to accept it.
    We did need a rb, Mance cannot play that position and Lichaj was away until the weekend before the season started with America, we also only had 1 official RB on our books if Lichaj got injured we would of been knackered. Competition is usually a good thing unless you want to attack the previous manager.

    By the same logic you must be pissed off that AK didnt sort our lb situation as he signed a player clearly unfit (clubless for 9 months) and let one go with no real replacement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Not saying it wasn't, just saying it was equally as poor in Jan when that was the situation, and instead of sorting a LB we bough in an excess amount of players who haven't even played yet, or barely played at all.

    The LB position has been an issue for ages. To attribute not sorting down to one window is fairly laughble mate. Especially the window the club was sold in.
    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    We did need a rb, Mance cannot play that position and Lichaj was away until the weekend before the season started with America, we also only had 1 official RB on our books if Lichaj got injured we would of been knackered. Competition is usually a good thing unless you want to attack the previous manager.

    By the same logic you must be pissed off that AK didnt sort our lb situation as he signed a player clearly unfit (clubless for 9 months) and let one go with no real replacement.
    Osborns playing there & doing better job than Traore, Lichaj sits next, Whilst Fuentes gets up to speed. Thats a better set up. Particularly with Lolley, a guy who'll track back

    Traore off the books was pretty important, the guys a crock.

    The season was done, if this don't get sorted in the summer I'll concede its a mistake. Until then, I dont see why Karanka gets dragged relentlessly into every Warburton debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Osborns playing there & doing better job than Traore, Lichaj sits next, Whilst Fuentes gets up to speed. Thats a better set up.

    Traore off the books was pretty important, the guys a crock.

    The season was done, if this don't get sorted in the summer I'll concede its a mistake. Until then, I dont see why Karanka gets dragged relentlessly into every Warburton debate.
    Because you have to have consistancy. Reading your criticism of one window, but ignoring all the others is like watching bad reffing.

    If the LB position is a problem this season, you can't villify one manager/window & excuse the other.

    Well you can, but it's wrong and very selective viewing.

    It's either a problem position which hasn't been sorted, or it's not a priority to sort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    I dont see why Karanka gets dragged relentlessly into every Warburton debate.
    As an observation, and not aimed directly at you, just generally.

    If Warburton did not get dragged into every Karanka discussion (and of course, vice versa) then the whole issue would start to die down and we could all get on with actual discussions rather than heated recycling of crap that's been said before.

    Both sides of the argument need to drop it for it to go away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Because you have to have consistancy. Reading your criticism of one window, but ignoring all the others is like watching bad reffing.
    If the LB position is a problem this season, you can't villify one manager/window & excuse the other.
    Karankas put Benny there short term, with Fuentes in the wings. Thats enough to see us through to a summer where we recruit properly for the position. Traore was fucking awful Alf & Eric on his wrong foot aint much better.

    Warburton had a long run up to that summer window, he neglected the left back position, the club uncertainty smokescreen is borderline comical.

    karanka was appointed midway through Jan! He's made a better job of the position Alf. Simple.


 

 

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