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    First off, I`m filled with a lot more pre-season optimism than if MON was still here. I think the football will be exciting under Sabri and his best days in management are ahead of him. Watson and Dawson have huge experience and will help the younger players in the earlier part of the season. Sabri is no slouch and if Watson doesn`t perform on a consistent basis then he`ll still be a useful influence around the dressing room and training pitch - like Dawson. e l


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    Quote Originally Posted by Faakin Ell View Post
    First off, I`m filled with a lot more pre-season optimism than if MON was still here. I think the football will be exciting under Sabri and his best days in management are ahead of him. Watson and Dawson have huge experience and will help the younger players in the earlier part of the season. Sabri is no slouch and if Watson doesn`t perform on a consistent basis then he`ll still be a useful influence around the dressing room and training pitch - like Dawson. e l
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    I see conflicting views about Watson. To explain mine I'll need to turn to an Italian football term; no, not regista again, but appoggio, support, the quintessential quality of the defensive midfielder when the team attacks, according to the Italians.

    Watson is a decent midfielder defensively; slow, but tactically good in obstructing passes, keeping an eye on unmarked channels, etc. But a team has to attack, and the holding midfielder's job then is to provide support for the passing game. Watson is really clueless in that department. He acts as if his job has ended when you have the ball; on more than one occasion he was immobile, watching the others trying to overcome their opponents. This makes the passing game and the other midfielders' job in general harder, and losing the ball or creating gaps between the lines easier.

    He's an old school holding midfielder and you need someone providing appoggio.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I see conflicting views about Watson. To explain mine I'll need to turn to an Italian football term; no, not regista again, but appoggio, support, the quintessential quality of the defensive midfielder when the team attacks, according to the Italians.

    Watson is a decent midfielder defensively; slow, but tactically good in obstructing passes, keeping an eye on unmarked channels, etc. But a team has to attack, and the holding midfielder's job then is to provide support for the passing game. Watson is really clueless in that department. He acts as if his job has ended when you have the ball; on more than one occasion he was immobile, watching the others trying to overcome their opponents. This makes the passing game and the other midfielders' job in general harder, and losing the ball or creating gaps between the lines easier.

    He's an old school holding midfielder and you need someone providing appoggio.
    If Forest want to play 4-1-4-1, then the „1“ in front of the defenders needs to be more of a „Quarterback“ who can turn defence into attack.

    Watson can’t do that, it isn’t his game.

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    Posts 504 & 503 by GBG and Herr Strummeister are absolutely spot on. Great posts Gents.


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    Thought he deserved a positive mention in his own thread, excellent performamance Saturday just when you think he's done. Good control of the space in front of him, organised & some of his long passing out is connecting nicely.

    Watsons always been a good player, its his legs in question, but they've been given a boost with the likes of Bostock waiting in the wings.

    Good competition for places reaping rewards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    If Forest want to play 4-1-4-1, then the „1“ in front of the defenders needs to be more of a „Quarterback“ who can turn defence into attack.

    Watson can’t do that, it isn’t his game.
    I suspect it's a temporary thing whilst Carvalho is out and Silva adapts to the lack of time on the ball in this league.

    Make the defence and midfield solid first.

    Give it a few weeks and I think the formation may shift and we'll see two of Sow/Semedo/Bostock holding with Carvalho/Silva playing as a #10, meaning there's then no room for a regista type and no need to start Watson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Thought he deserved a positive mention in his own thread, excellent performamance Saturday just when you think he's done. Good control of the space in front of him, organised & some of his long passing out is connecting nicely.
    I think he was helped by Birmingham failing to put any pressure on him when he was in possession. The question mark that still remains is - does he have the speed of thought and speed of foot to do it when he's being pressed?


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    Be my first name on teamsheet with Lollipop, the lynchpin.


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    Being put to rest tonight.

    This is like Leeds but even worse. When a team is in your face on the press he can't get any front foot ball and it forces Dawson and Worrall to have start play.

    Off the ball he was exposed against WBA but tbf Alfa and Silva also struggled helping him there.


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    If we're going to play a deep 4-1-4-1 with a regista (sorry) then we need to absolutely boss possession because we aren't ever going to provide a counter threat with Grabban 40 yards from the nearest player and no pace himself.


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    As much as he's exposed. I'm far less frustrated with him. Simply because I think he does/thinks things right. He's just not capable of pressing or delivering imo.

    I'm more frustrated with those who just don't have it upstairs.


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    Surely nobody having ago at him after tonight's performance. One of our better players. Again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdooonk View Post
    Surely nobody having ago at him after tonight's performance. One of our better players. Again.
    He really wasn't. He didn't know when to press so didn't get out to his man quick enough then he fimally went it was to late and it was played around and behind him, I watched that happen on at least 7 occasions. He offered very little in the transisition and he's so slow in his decision making.

    He is simply unable to deal with sides who play on the front foot and apply pressure.

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    He was one of many awful players.

    I could accept him being slow with and without the ball if was at least leading and keeping us organised but he doesn’t even do that.

    He’s painful to watch play.


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    He just inadvertently slows the entire game down and is too easily bypassed by opposing players.

    He looked better when Bostock came on to give him an out-ball and someone who could pass for more than three yards.


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    "he won't play come season start"

    Still not convinced we won't miss his presence Tbh. We really should have signed Colback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    He just inadvertently slows the entire game down and is too easily bypassed by opposing players.

    He looked better when Bostock came on to give him an out-ball and someone who could pass for more than three yards.
    Really don't understand this. Bostock was the definition of slow and ponderous when he came on. Repeatedly gave the ball away. But his face fits at the moment I suppose.


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    He just doesn’t really contribute in either half.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdooonk View Post
    Really don't understand this. Bostock was the definition of slow and ponderous when he came on. Repeatedly gave the ball away. But his face fits at the moment I suppose.
    So you think Watson was one of our better players and Bostock was poor??

    You must either be a troll, watched an entirely different game or be Watson's Dad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notcher View Post
    So you think Watson was one of our better players and Bostock was poor??

    You must either be a troll, watched an entirely different game or be Watson's Dad?

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    Agreed.


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    We'd probably be better placed playing Silva where Watson is if Lamouchi is desperate to play a 4-1-4-1.

    He'll do the getting on the ball and passing it around our half with ease and he's surprisingly strong enough to ease some players off the ball too.

    Bostock, Semedo and Sow then play box to box.

    Either that or we go to a 4-2-3-1 because the Watson as the deep lying playmaker just kills any creativity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Notcher View Post
    So you think Watson was one of our better players and Bostock was poor??

    You must either be a troll, watched an entirely different game or be Watson's Dad?

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    Being managed by a troll then. Oh,last manager as well. I'm not his Dad either. Or even a fan of his but he's always the scapegoat isn't he? Plenty worse than him tonight.


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    Once Bostock shakes off the ring rust, he'll rightly take over at the base, preferably with Semedo next to him & Carvalho in front.

    I like Bostock, he's got a swagger about him.


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    The team will improve without him he's so slow and immobile.Vaughan at his age was a far superior defensive midfielder and look where he ended up.


 

 

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