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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Or have a bloody good go without bankrupting us.

    I've voted for a long term approach, firstly because I have terrible memories of appointing David Pl*%t, and spending loads of cash on crap past-it players in the hope of a swift return to the Premier League, and secondly because I took so much pleasure from the first two seasons under Paul Hart that I've always wanted the club to try the tactic of growing the club from within again.

    In terms of the Premier League, the Burnley model looks an interesting template. Appoint a manager, back him to gain promotion, back him in the top division rather than chucking money around to stay there, don't just spend silly money but think about the infrastructure of the club.
    And crucially, stick with him, even if you go back down immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    And crucially, stick with him, even if you go back down immediately.
    Likelyhood of that happening here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post


    20 years and waiting mate

    I'd like to see some good investment before I'm convinced of the owner being serious.

    We all known folk who at this time are serious about losing weight and getting fit, but most go to the gym twice, quit, and then stay fat fuckers the rest of their lives bar two gym sessions next year. It's all good saying these things, but doing them is where it's at.

    To quote a wise man - "Actions speak louder than words", and financially I've seen little yet to suggest we wanted to do anything other than rebuild. The intent may be there, but that has to be backed up.
    again i have to ask how you were preaching for patience on MW and not on the new management

    i am not certain if they will make it. not sure at all. but the regime has changed a few months ago and i find it awkward to judge them as a continuance of the past ownership.

    i don't want to find excuses but they are not new to football. they have enough knowledge, enough strings, enough relationships with managers, agents etc that will soon be evident to you too, and that would benefit NFFC.

    as said, now they have to deliver and put their money, literally and metaphorically, where their mouth is.

    don't be convinced of course. but at least i think you could wait and see. they have to change many things in the club before being really THEIR club. it is a transitional period. someone should have this in mind.

    Marinakis and Vrentzos are not Fawaz. They run a successful club for many years. They meet high people from UEFA and FIFA, agents, etc for many years and they wouldn't like, and i repeat that they wouldn't like, to jeopardize their name in football.

    so, let's wait and see. in my eyes it was already awkward that EM and his people were so quiet up to now with the expectations they had. it doesn't fit to his profile.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Or have a bloody good go without bankrupting us.

    I've voted for a long term approach, firstly because I have terrible memories of appointing David Pl*%t, and spending loads of cash on crap past-it players in the hope of a swift return to the Premier League, and secondly because I took so much pleasure from the first two seasons under Paul Hart that I've always wanted the club to try the tactic of growing the club from within again.

    In terms of the Premier League, the Burnley model looks an interesting template. Appoint a manager, back him to gain promotion, back him in the top division rather than chucking money around to stay there, don't just spend silly money but think about the infrastructure of the club.
    when Marinakis acquired Olympiakos, we were in a very bad financial situation. they managed to change this very soon, without reducing the quality of the team. Vrentzos is considered here as a very very good CEO when it comes to financial issues. you should see some deals and contracts he made to reduce risk and increase benefits. they would blow your mind. many of your current contracts with huge salaries would never happen if he was on board. he would put too many closures to avoid risk

    my colleague GreekBaringGifts could elaborate more on this, since he is like a data mining guru for many years and he got a great archive

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    Good question GBG.

    The last time I DIDN'T want promotion was when it was known Pearce was going to become manager in the summer and for a moment it looked like we might squeak into the play-offs prior to him taking over.

    The worst thing for me would be to go up and just be cannon fodder, a chance for 'them' to have another laugh at how the mighty have fallen. But that is a defeatist attitude brought on by pride and fear. Who Dares Wins? Could we really go up and hold our own again? Do we scoff at what the Premiership has become out of spite for having being detached from it for so long?

    I find your question very difficult to answer GBG. Having decided my Forest days will end with Karanka, it would be nice to see them back up there but NOT to finish as cannon fodder. If that was to be the case I'd rather go out with it pretty much as it was when I started back in August 1974.... pretty much where we are now.

    Other than that mate, you haven't got a spare time machine have you??


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    And crucially, stick with him, even if you go back down immediately.
    I always thought that Boro messed up by sacking Karanka when they did. He was absolutely the man to get them back up after their relegation, which was inevitable.

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    In our position, if we have a core of excellent players, then we HAVE to go for it. If we don't, then those excellent players will leave, even if they are on contract.
    We have to exploit any realistic chance of promotion when it comes. Wolves are risking it all but have good enough players (and some transfers on the way now apparently) to make it realistic.
    If we feel we have 8/9 quality players in our squad, should we throw money at acquiring the 6/7 players needed for a sensible push?


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    The toughest thing is not going to be winning games, or not losing them either. For me itís going to be once again managing our expectations.
    Itís brave the new management team mentioning the p word as it looks very much to me that any long Term plan has left the building with MW & co.
    But I pray that some of the less patient fans do still understand that itís one thing wanting it and another delivering it.

    It makes me think now, more than ever that MW is a victim of not being ambitious enough. And the new owner wanted to hear more ambition from whoever took over from him. Iím not saying for a minute itís right, or that I agree with it. Itís just what I believe is Karankaís remit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by karteo View Post
    again i have to ask how you were preaching for patience on MW and not on the new management

    i am not certain if they will make it. not sure at all. but the regime has changed a few months ago and i find it awkward to judge them as a continuance of the past ownership.

    i don't want to find excuses but they are not new to football. they have enough knowledge, enough strings, enough relationships with managers, agents etc that will soon be evident to you too, and that would benefit NFFC.

    as said, now they have to deliver and put their money, literally and metaphorically, where their mouth is.

    don't be convinced of course. but at least i think you could wait and see. they have to change many things in the club before being really THEIR club. it is a transitional period. someone should have this in mind.

    Marinakis and Vrentzos are not Fawaz. They run a successful club for many years. They meet high people from UEFA and FIFA, agents, etc for many years and they wouldn't like, and i repeat that they wouldn't like, to jeopardize their name in football.

    so, let's wait and see. in my eyes it was already awkward that EM and his people were so quiet up to now with the expectations they had. it doesn't fit to his profile.
    Because for the last 6 years I've been preaching patience, and neither owner nor a section of the fans have given any.

    I'm just sick of the while sorry merry go round, and STILL, after 6 fucking years, waiting for a single full season anywhere near as remotely good as the 2 Davies playoff seasons we had her, despite being told by loads on here "sacking Davies is the way forward"

    I've heard all the same promises and bullshit before. From Randall this season. I'll buy into it when it happens, not beforehand.

    Last edited by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery; 13-01-18 at 15:52.

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    seriously

    no one believes this guy is from Greece? do they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 888balluk View Post
    seriously

    no one believes this guy is from Greece? do they?
    Well his user name is Greeks Bearing Gifts so we'll have to take it at face value.

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    One of my concerns would be ticket prices if we were in the Premiership. It's already over £500 for A Block now, so what would that go up to?
    The real fans that stuck by the club through hard times get priced out and replaced by plastic fans. That's why the atmosphere is garbage at Prem games.

    I was talking to some Wolves fans a few years ago in Fellows Morton after we played them and they said they were glad they got relegated from the Premiership. They found it expensive, boring, games being moved all the time and said they preferred the Championship.

    Makes you wonder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 888balluk View Post
    seriously

    no one believes this guy is from Greece? do they?
    What's your instinct, Spondon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    One of my concerns would be ticket prices if we were in the Premiership. It's already over £500 for A Block now, so what would that go up to?
    The real fans that stuck by the club through hard times get priced out and replaced by plastic fans. That's why the atmosphere is garbage at Prem games.

    I was talking to some Wolves fans a few years ago in Fellows Morton after we played them and they said they were glad they got relegated from the Premiership. They found it expensive, boring, games being moved all the time and said they preferred the Championship.

    Makes you wonder.
    Except the best atmosphere this season was the Arsenal game when many of the regulars didn’t go and the ground was full of ‘plastic’ fans.

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    So have we moved the goalposts then or wot?.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    One of my concerns would be ticket prices if we were in the Premiership. It's already over £500 for A Block now, so what would that go up to?
    The real fans that stuck by the club through hard times get priced out and replaced by plastic fans. That's why the atmosphere is garbage at Prem games.

    I was talking to some Wolves fans a few years ago in Fellows Morton after we played them and they said they were glad they got relegated from the Premiership. They found it expensive, boring, games being moved all the time and said they preferred the Championship.

    Makes you wonder.
    One of the reasons I was happy just making the top 6 every year, with some crazy off-pitch entertainment in there to boot.

    I really wish they's change the league structure:

    * Fuck off all the top Prem "supa awesome plastic" clubs to a "supa awesome plastic" league
    * Slap a wage-cap the remaining British sides of around 15k/wk
    * Instist that the squad contains at least 2 academy products
    * Limit the amount of foreign players in the side to 3
    * Get around the bosman ruling by insisting on a different contract setup (e.g. 10 year contracts minimum, where clubs can release players for free after 3 years)
    * Don't ban agents, but regulate how they operate more thoroughly
    * Give Billy a job

    Footy should be £20/adult, £10/kid to watch the most talented mostly British talent play against opposition local talent, with the odd bit of


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    I really wish they's change the league structure
    What you say is noble but hardly realistic. Perhaps I should have added "... promotion to the Premier as it now functions" to the title.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 888balluk View Post
    seriously

    no one believes this guy is from Greece? do they?
    I suppose you're referring to me. Can you elaborate?

    I remember that when I started posting here, I was told that someone on Vital said I cannot be Greek because my English is too good, which I found funny because the longest I've been to an English-speaking country is five days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Except the best atmosphere this season was the Arsenal game when many of the regulars didn’t go and the ground was full of ‘plastic’ fans.
    It was bound to be with that performance. Saw quite a few old faces that don't go regularly anymore as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    One of the reasons I was happy just making the top 6 every year, with some crazy off-pitch entertainment in there to boot.

    I really wish they's change the league structure:

    * Fuck off all the top Prem "supa awesome plastic" clubs to a "supa awesome plastic" league
    * Slap a wage-cap the remaining British sides of around 15k/wk
    * Instist that the squad contains at least 2 academy products
    * Limit the amount of foreign players in the side to 3
    * Get around the bosman ruling by insisting on a different contract setup (e.g. 10 year contracts minimum, where clubs can release players for free after 3 years)
    * Don't ban agents, but regulate how they operate more thoroughly
    * Give Billy a job

    Footy should be £20/adult, £10/kid to watch the most talented mostly British talent play against opposition local talent, with the odd bit of
    Admission should be in line with the average wage, which changes regionally. A national average doesn't wash.
    It would be a minefield to do and then there's all the restrictions from the FA/Football League.

    It's an on going debate at Mansfield. The owner moans about attendances, the public moan about the prices, and he just replies with its in line with the rest of the league.
    So, I wonder if the average wage in places like Barnet, Stevenage and Exeter are the same as Mansfield? I think not.
    It's a deprived area with high unemployment. Know your market.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I suppose you're referring to me. Can you elaborate?

    I remember that when I started posting here, I was told that someone on Vital said I cannot be Greek because my English is too good, which I found funny because the longest I've been to an English-speaking country is five days.
    Well, I believe you. Nobody can be that interested in Olympiacos without being Greek.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    What you say is noble but hardly realistic. Perhaps I should have added "... promotion to the Premier as it now functions" to the title.
    Agreed. I was trying to add that to the end of the post but I hit post by accident, and now when I go to edit it nothing appears.

    Promotion is pointless uness there's a connection with something within the club. At Forest we change everything round too quickly to be allowed to develop any rapport with anything, players or manager.

    Honestly I'd sooner see a good manager & good set of players I liked (so very much like the Billy Davies Mk1 era) get some good time together here and float around mid-table to top 6, than get promoted for the plastics.

    Promotion feels like fucking an escort at the mo - superficial satisfaction which only reflects how little soul there is the second you've spunked.


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    I also believe him. GBG has a viewpoint that's definitely not a British one (and I mean that as a compliment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I suppose you're referring to me. Can you elaborate?

    I remember that when I started posting here, I was told that someone on Vital said I cannot be Greek because my English is too good, which I found funny because the longest I've been to an English-speaking country is five days.
    Your English is better than some of the 'natives'






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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    It was bound to be with that performance. Saw quite a few old faces that don't go regularly anymore as well.



    Admission should be in line with the average wage, which changes regionally. A national average doesn't wash.
    It would be a minefield to do and then there's all the restrictions from the FA/Football League.

    It's an on going debate at Mansfield. The owner moans about attendances, the public moan about the prices, and he just replies with its in line with the rest of the league.
    So, I wonder if the average wage in places like Barnet, Stevenage and Exeter are the same as Mansfield? I think not.
    It's a deprived area with high unemployment. Know your market.
    Kinda highlights the root of the whole problem - a disconnect from the everyday man.

    The whole of society needs changing so that old-school value & community spirit geta re-birth. It's how we are naturally, and yet everyone seems to think mathmatics buy happiness.

    Promotion won't make folk happy for more than a fleeting set of moments. But give them heroes, something to beleive in and a community and they'd be far happier IMO. It's a balance of course, but the game's way to mathmatcs heavy now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Your English is better than some of the 'natives'

    (compliment!)
    I probably sound more Greek in the flesh than he does


 

 

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