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    I know this topic has been covered previously but I just cannot get my head around some of the figures being paid or discussed for Championship players and for teams that don't have parachute payments regarding FFP.
    We have learned the hard way and appear to be aquiring good players for the 'going' rate.
    How are Birmingham, Reading etc finding a FFP loop hole or are they?


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    Like pretty much every other business in the UK the industry is corrupt, and the most personable people who "look after" the top brass & folk in authority get away with things which others don't.

    With that in mind Fawaz could have likely have gotten round FFP, but chose not to because fans only hated him for spending anyway.

    Loop holes "appear" for the clever/"corrupt", and the moral high ground which people take is simply the conditioning which the upper classes have bread in workers doing what it was designed to do - keep said workers in their place.

    FFP has changed a zillion times, and will continue to do so in favour of whoevers greasing palms & building alliances.

    “All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.”

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    Let's see if any clubs get punished in 2018. If not, then it shouldn't be respected and should be scrapped. Not that it should now though, the most careless and pointless rule ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Like pretty much every other business in the UK the industry is corrupt, and the most personable people who "look after" the top brass & folk in authority get away with things which others don't.

    With that in mind Fawaz could have likely have gotten round FFP, but chose not to because fans only hated him for spending anyway.

    Loop holes "appear" for the clever/"corrupt", and the moral high ground which people take is simply the conditioning which the upper classes have bread in workers doing what it was designed to do - keep said workers in their place.

    FFP has changed a zillion times, and will continue to do so in favour of whoevers greasing palms & building alliances.
    It's not corruption, it's clever accounting.

    Just like paying as little tax as possible is not corruption. It's the same concept with FFP.


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    Or just 'accounting'.

    Remember it suited our previous owner for the club to be under an embargo for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Like pretty much every other business in the UK the industry is corrupt, and the most personable people who "look after" the top brass & folk in authority get away with things which others don't.

    With that in mind Fawaz could have likely have gotten round FFP, but chose not to because fans only hated him for spending anyway.

    Loop holes "appear" for the clever/"corrupt", and the moral high ground which people take is simply the conditioning which the upper classes have bread in workers doing what it was designed to do - keep said workers in their place.

    FFP has changed a zillion times, and will continue to do so in favour of whoevers greasing palms & building alliances.
    To be fair Alf, most of those crooking the system these days are not "upper class" but more often nouveau riche. There is certainly collusion between government, the big multi-nationals and the large accountancy companies to create the loopholes they all want, which by their nature are only useful for those with vast personal wealth, be they footballers, celebs, investors or Lords.


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    Judging by the way the FL continually kick the QPR case further and further into the long grass due to their concern of FFP being legally scrutinised, clubs are effectively being given a free rein to ignore it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    It's not corruption, it's clever accounting.

    Just like paying as little tax as possible is not corruption. It's the same concept with FFP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Or just 'accounting'.

    Remember it suited our previous owner for the club to be under an embargo for so long.
    Agreed chaps. But it often gets branded as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    To be fair Alf, most of those crooking the system these days are not "upper class" but more often nouveau riche. There is certainly collusion between government, the big multi-nationals and the large accountancy companies to create the loopholes they all want, which by their nature are only useful for those with vast personal wealth, be they footballers, celebs, investors or Lords.
    Totally agree. Tis the nature of the beast, and the olny way to stay with it - especially in an industry where earnings directly relate to competitive wins - is to be as savvy as those your competing against.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Judging by the way the FL continually kick the QPR case further and further into the long grass due to their concern of FFP being legally scrutinised, clubs are effectively being given a free rein to ignore it.
    "FFP is not enforceable" - Jim Price

    But we sack those people


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    "FFP is not enforceable" - Jim Price

    But we sack those people
    That hook is well baited


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    "FFP is not enforceable" - Jim Price

    But we sack those people
    We'd have been forced to when he was struck off anyway

    The beast is stirring yet again!! :devil:

    it has nothing to do with football or NFFC

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    The sooner it falls apart the better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    The sooner it falls apart the better.
    Agreed 100% Ravi.

    It amounts to little more than a ham-fisted restraint of trade.

    Adopt the German model, each club has to submit accounts and a business plan to the FA before the season starts.

    The sums don't add up, they don't get a license to play. Easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Agreed 100% Ravi.

    It amounts to little more than a ham-fisted restraint of trade.

    Adopt the German model, each club has to submit accounts and a business plan to the FA before the season starts.

    The sums don't add up, they don't get a license to play. Easy.
    It is a great idea but I still don't trust the FA to be even handed.


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    The FA has fuck all to do with FFP.


    FFP is a league matter. The League are seperate body to the FA.

    The league regulations are all restraint of trade - you can't have framed competition without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    We'd have been forced to when he was struck off anyway
    Another example of us pandering to the powers that be.

    If our club we never challenge anything which is to our detriment, we'll always remain a lower league club. Simply because those at the top will always manipulate circumstances to keep them there and us here.

    The Price was right, and we threw away a shot at promotion to endure several years of shite just to keep the upper echelons happy. I hope we value ourselves more in this new era.

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    Someone's speaking to truth, Red Unity.


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    PSG spending close to 400 million with probably the smallest TV deal in Europe and playing every other week in front of 12K fans........as you were, gentlemen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Unity View Post
    The FA has fuck all to do with FFP.


    FFP is a league matter. The League are seperate body to the FA.
    In the U.K. of course you are absolutely correct.

    In Germany, the DFB and the Bundesliga (and of course, 2.Bundesliga, as the same rules apply) work together to ensure that each club is being financially responsible so that they won't go bust, and live within their means.

    They sometimes means smaller clubs (like Hoffenheim, backed by SAP co-founder Dietmar Hopp), can punch way above their expected weight due to additional financial backing.

    It also means some clubs badly run financially - I'm looking at you, former Bundesliga regulars Karlsruhe and Kaiserslautern - can struggle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.O.Tricky. View Post
    PSG spending close to 400 million with probably the smallest TV deal in Europe and playing every other week in front of 12K fans........as you were, gentlemen.
    UEFA's ffp is obviously working well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.O.Tricky. View Post
    PSG spending close to 400 million with probably the smallest TV deal in Europe and playing every other week in front of 12K fans........as you were, gentlemen.
    PSG get much bigger crowds than that.

    The Parc des Princes holds nearly 48,000 fans currently and is often sold out.

    There are also plans to extend capacity by and 8-10,000, as the Qatari owner's plan to escalate PSG to the absolute top tier of European football.

    It's perhaps Monaco you were thinking of who have mediocre attendances?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    PSG get much bigger crowds than that.

    The Parc des Princes holds nearly 48,000 fans currently and is often sold out.

    There are also plans to extend capacity by and 8-10,000, as the Qatari owner's plan to escalate PSG to the absolute top tier of European football.

    It's perhaps Monaco you were thinking of who have mediocre attendances?
    Our neighbour owns Monaco . The football club not the whole shabang.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    In the U.K. of course you are absolutely correct.

    In Germany, the DFB and the Bundesliga (and of course, 2.Bundesliga, as the same rules apply) work together to ensure that each club is being financially responsible so that they won't go bust, and live within their means.

    They sometimes means smaller clubs (like Hoffenheim, backed by SAP co-founder Dietmar Hopp), can punch way above their expected weight due to additional financial backing.

    It also means some clubs badly run financially - I'm looking at you, former Bundesliga regulars Karlsruhe and Kaiserslautern - can struggle.
    Where FFP has been implemented it is largely in league and competition regimes where there is is a lot of investment volatility that threatens both the competitive field and the stability of clubs. FFP hasn't worked, but it is better that they try and faile than to just accept the continued and growing dominance of handful of clubs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    PSG get much bigger crowds than that.

    The Parc des Princes holds nearly 48,000 fans currently and is often sold out.

    There are also plans to extend capacity by and 8-10,000, as the Qatari owner's plan to escalate PSG to the absolute top tier of European football.

    It's perhaps Monaco you were thinking of who have mediocre attendances?
    Was just referring to the away games at Metz and Angiers etc........what they get 20% of those gate receipts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.O.Tricky. View Post
    Was just referring to the away games at Metz and Angiers etc........what they get 20% of those gate receipts?
    Depends on the ground to be honest. 20% is fair for most, some significantly less.

    And they never take many away to Marseille (and, reciprocally) because of the aggro that fixture generates.


 

 

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