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    I profoundly disagree, but I expect far more qualified people than both you and I will make the decision as to Tyler's future


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    I don't think any of the three have long term futures at Forest personally.

    Hoping Mansfield can get promoted though and they'll take them back again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdooonk View Post
    No let's remember his failure to develop at Forest (I can remember only 2 good first team performances I think) and previous indifferent loan spells. Stags fans have been luke warm about him despite his goals. If last night was the best he can do for such a big game he's not going to make it with us.
    If he'd put in that same level of performance for us, people would bemoan a lack of creativity to give him chances (under O'Neill) or being played out of position if Karanka had picked him. The script is already written, no need to bother watching.


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    Interestingly Walker hasn't only had impressive stats (amongst the best u23 forwards in the country as seen in his thread) but he is also one of the leading chance creators in the country.

    Most chances created Top Four Tiers ENG����

    54 - Mohamed Salah
    51 - Joe Lolley
    45 - Pablo Hernandez
    43 - Sean McConville
    41 - Chuks Aneke
    41 - Bradley Dack
    40 - Sam Hoskins
    39 - Nicky Adams
    39 - Marcus Maddison
    38 - Eden Hazard
    38 - Tyler Walker
    38 - Neal Maupay

    Whether he makes it here is another thing. Will just let things go how they go.

    Mansfield supporter Dan Westwell (who takes pics for Notts clubs and NEP) is a Stags supporter and says that Jordan Smith and Flitcroft had a disagreement. To then put that lump in goal is laughable.


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    https://twitter.com/BBCRadioStoke/st...57835903868928



    "I am just focusing on my game at the minute and getting these appearances under my belt. Come the end of the season we will see what happens. Nothing is set in concrete yet so we will see.

    "My contract is up at the end of the year so, at the minute, I haven't got longer there, but they might offer me something more so it is a case of seeing what Forest offer me first and then go from there."


    "I think at my age, 21, obviously now I am looking to cement myself in a first team, so game-time does play a big part. But you have to consider a lot of things so it will be a case of sitting down and considering my options and seeing where we go from there."

    "I can't say we are safe yet. We have gone a long way to helping that in the last few games, but we are taking it game by game and trying to pick up more points. We want to get safe first but we want to build into next season, whether I am here or not, and finish the season strongly."



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    From the Daily Mail on Iacovitti supposedly having a role indirectly in Paul Scholes walking from Oldham.

    “It is thought the final straw was when he found out promises had been made to give defender Alex Iacovitti, signed on loan before Scholes's arrival, a two-year deal this summer. Iacovitti has not played a match this season.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    From the Daily Mail on Iacovitti supposedly having a role indirectly in Paul Scholes walking from Oldham.
    Bizarre.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    From the Daily Mail on Iacovitti supposedly having a role indirectly in Paul Scholes walking from Oldham.
    Sounds like the sort of deal we're usually on the receiving end of!


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    Jordan Smith
    Goalkeeper
    Contract : 2020
    Barnsley : 1 game 1 clean sheet
    Mansfield : 12 games 3 clean sheets

    Joe Worrall
    Centre-back
    Contract : 2022
    Rangers : 31 games 1 goal

    Steven Gerrard :
    “I thought Joe Worrall was outstanding,” the Rangers manager told the Scottish Sun. “What a big goal to keep his team in the cup.

    “It was a Man of the Match performance, and he will be a captain of whatever team he plays for.

    “He is a leader and he stepped up today.
    Gary McAllister :
    "In the last four or five games he has been excellent," McAllister told Sky Sports News. "I'm unaware of the criticism he has been getting. We just focus on how he trains and how he prepares for games, and he's been excellent.

    "He has been a particular stand-out in the last three or four games, shown a bravery to get on the ball and pass the ball, and it was nice to see him get the goal."
    Joe on bouncing back from his errors on Kilmarnock's controversial plastic pitch :
    “I’ve been asked many times about the incident at Kilmarnock but it is one of those things where people make mistakes,” Worrall said.

    “I am man enough and big enough to get on with it.

    “Thankfully the manager has stuck by me and I’m pleased to have repaid that faith with my performances.”
    Adam Crookes
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    Contract : 2019
    Lincoln City 5 games
    Port Vale 18 games

    Port Vale manager :
    "You don't want too many young players in your squad unless you have real quality. Even with Mitch and Crookesy, we have seen games where they have made mistakes.

    "You don't want players making too many mistakes but I think those two have got good attitudes and have potential to go higher.

    "That is what you want from your younger players - people who have quality and a great chance of playing higher, whether that is with us or you get a transfer fee for them."

    Alex Iacovitti

    Left-sided centre-back/left-back
    Contract : 2019
    Oldham 8 games 1 goal

    Toby Edser
    Centre-mid
    Contract : 2020
    Port Vale : 0 games

    Zach Clough

    Attacking Midfield
    Contract : 2021
    Rochdale : 13 games 1 goal

    Jorge Grant

    Attacking midfield
    Contract : 2020
    Luton : 22 games 4 goals
    Mansfield : 16 games 4 goals

    * Could end up with 2 promotion medals

    Gboly Ariyibi
    Wide-forward
    Contract : 2020
    Motherwell : 15 games 2 goals

    Motherwell manager :
    “He’s a talented boy.

    “We’re hopeful to get him back again next year and progressing his career.”


    Jason Cummings
    Centre-Forward
    Contract : 2020
    Peterborough : 29 games 8 goals
    Luton : 5 games 1 goal

    Virgil Gomis
    Centre-forward
    Contract : 2019
    Braintree : 5 games 1 goal
    Notts County : 10 games

    Tyler Walker
    Forward
    Contract : 2021
    Mansfield : 49 games 26 goals

    Manager Flitcroft :
    We have relied heavily on Ty [Walker]

    “We’ve had Danny Rose and Craig Davies injured for long stages of the season.

    “Tyler has carried it at times. CJ (Hamilton) has backed him up all season, and (Jacob) Mells, coming from midfield, he showed calmness and composure.”

    Apostolos Vellios

    Centre-forward
    Contract : 2020
    W Beveren : 17 games 4 goals


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    What a waste in loaning Toby to Port Vale.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    Reckon that is where he will be going next season. They loved him at Woking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liaminho View Post
    What a waste in loaning Toby to Port Vale.
    The definition of a disappointing loan spell. The wrong move can be so detrimental to a young players career.


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    Default Re: Loanee Watch

    Maybe if he can't get in Port Vale's team, he isn't very good.


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    Toby is what, 20, and still built like he's 15. That can't really help, especially if he's not very good. Lester used to be the one who really rated him...


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    Here's a suggestion for talented 20-year-olds who may not find playing time in the first team: send them to Willem II, a Dutch club playing in the first division. We have close ties with them, and loans for two of our young players have done wonders for their development (they're regular first team players now). We're about to send two more to them.

    Dutch football is pacy, and gives room to personal initiative, which is precisely what players making the transition from academy football to real football need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Dutch football is pacy, and gives room to personal initiative, which is precisely what players making the transition from academy football to real football need.
    It worked wonders getting Lars Veldwijk ready for English football.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Here's a suggestion for talented 20-year-olds who may not find playing time in the first team: send them to Willem II, a Dutch club playing in the first division. We have close ties with them, and loans for two of our young players have done wonders for their development (they're regular first team players now). We're about to send two more to them.

    Dutch football is pacy, and gives room to personal initiative, which is precisely what players making the transition from academy football to real football need.
    After watching the standard of football in League Two, it's very hard to disagree. It seems like common sense that players are more likely to improve in leagues that focus on technical rather than physical aspects of the game. Tyler Walker and Jorge Grant are certainly more technical players, they'd probably benefit from being in teams that play a little bit of football rather than just hoof the ball upfield whenever the opportunity presents itself. Certainly more so than playing with pub league standard tubsters like Conrad Logan. That spending time in a new culture offers a host of personal benefits shouldn't be overlooked... and there's the dutch space cakes to enjoy too.


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    It all depends what player you are dealing with.

    I wouldn’t send somebody like Appiah to League Two, but game time in the Dutch league could be perfect. If you are looking at somebody like Yates then he would be better off in League Two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    It all depends what player you are dealing with.

    I wouldn’t send somebody like Appiah to League Two, but game time in the Dutch league could be perfect. If you are looking at somebody like Yates then he would be better off in League Two.
    I understand the rationale but I don't agree. Players like Yates need to improve their technical skills on a higher level. League Two is all about dodgy determination; he has that already. He needs to learn from quality around him more than he needs playing time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I understand the rationale but I don't agree. Players like Yates need to improve their technical skills on a higher level. League Two is all about dodgy determination; he has that already. He needs to learn from quality around him more than he needs playing time.
    I’m not talking about loaning him now, just his style of player.

    I would say his loans to the lower leagues have helped him develop those skills he has now.


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    Joe Worrall returns to the City Ground now his loan spell at Rangers has finished.
    After his final loan game v Kilmarnock, the fans have expressed their delight that that will be the last time he turns out for them.
    Comments include dithering, nervy, slower than a wet week.
    It will be interesting to see if he figures in MOARK's plans for the coming season, or whether he will be loaned out or disposed of.
    Fans are fickle, and you can't always take their comments as being wholly representative, but if he has struggled in the top league of the Scottish pub leagues, he will probably struggle in the Championship.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Joe Worrall returns to the City Ground now his loan spell at Rangers has finished.
    After his final loan game v Kilmarnock, the fans have expressed their delight that that will be the last time he turns out for them.
    Comments include dithering, nervy, slower than a wet week.
    It will be interesting to see if he figures in MOARK's plans for the coming season, or whether he will be loaned out or disposed of.
    Fans are fickle, and you can't always take their comments as being wholly representative, but if he has struggled in the top league of the Scottish pub leagues, he will probably struggle in the Championship.
    Their manager seemed to like him though. Ultimately, as MON has shown with Yates, Osborne and Cash, if he sees something in a player, he won't care what the fans think.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    Joe Worrall returns to the City Ground now his loan spell at Rangers has finished.
    After his final loan game v Kilmarnock, the fans have expressed their delight that that will be the last time he turns out for them.
    Comments include dithering, nervy, slower than a wet week.
    It will be interesting to see if he figures in MOARK's plans for the coming season, or whether he will be loaned out or disposed of.
    Fans are fickle, and you can't always take their comments as being wholly representative, but if he has struggled in the top league of the Scottish pub leagues, he will probably struggle in the Championship.
    Beware of testimonials from clubs like Rangers, they tend to think theyre a better level than they are.

    Top end of the league fair enough, but its a pub league all the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Beware of testimonials from clubs like Rangers, they tend to think theyre a better level than they are.

    Top end of the league fair enough, but its a pub league all the same.
    They’d struggle in League One, never mind the Championship.

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