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    Default Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    In relation to last night's game and Calvin's thread, let's put this to bed.

    Does it bother you?

    I grew up in the Mansfield area were the thick of it was going on, I'd be 13 years old in 1984. At the time I saw no connection between Nottingham city and coal mining, to me Nottingham wasn't a mining place like we're I lived although some miners did support Forest.
    Mansfield was different, there were pits in every surrounding town, village and the town itself. A large proportion of males were also employed by these as well, it was the areas main industry.

    So, 33 years later, I still don't see a big connection with Nottingham city and coal mining, not even historically.
    We're I grew up is the opposite but even so, I don't find the Scab term offensive, especially at Forest games. It's like banter clutching at straws to me that gets justified with facts like there were two pits a few miles outside Nottingham or all Nottinghamshire people are the same.
    Outside of the football arena I still don't find the term offensive. I was a kid, I've never worked in a pit and how can I be held accountable for the decisions my father or grandfather may have made?


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    I have a scab on my knee that is a tiny bit sore. Even that is more offensive than being called one.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    Mate, I've been involved in and had done to me, far worse than being called a scab over the years of following forest. At best, its something to get worked up about in the heat of battle, after the 90 minutes i couldn't give a shit. As a sidenote, it winds me up much more if it is Sheff Utd doing it on the basis that I cannot stand them cnuts.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    As at the time I staunchly supported Maggie against the vile Scargill, I would regard being called "scab" as a badge of honour.

    I called my Leeds supporting mate "A dirty Pikey bastard", and he calls me "Fookin' Jooish Forest Poof".


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    No, I don't think there has been a working pit in Nottingham City in my living memory. I lived in Rainworth for a few years and worked in and around Mansfield, that's where the poor fuckers had to decide between feeding their families or helping that self promoting **** Scargill to more riches whilst he postured around a fight that he could never win.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    I used to go in to work the back way. So that I missed the pickets.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    I've never understood some fans' obsession with a non-football-related event that happened over thirty years ago. It's a bit bizarre to me.

    Sometimes you get the feeling the likes of Barnsley do the whole "scabs" thing because they don't have any rivals and need to try and stir something up to stave of the boredom of being a dull club that no-one really gives a shit about.


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    It's only really bothered me once, and that was when I went to Bramall Lane a few years ago with my brother. We were sat relatively close to the home fans who gave us the whole tiresome "scabs" routine, despite the majority clearly being of an age to either not remember the strike, or not even be born.

    I would've laughed it off, were it not that my brother had to endure it despite the fact that as a miner at Linby Colliery at that time, he stayed out for the entire duration of the dispute.

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    Doesn't offend me one bit, I just laugh my tits off at the dozy fuckers


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    I was a miner for 17 years and yes it drives me mad being called a "Scab" the reason being i was on strike for nearly a year when i was 20 - so the yorkshire thick wits can go and fuck themselves because not every miner went to work


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    There should have been a ballot in 84


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    No not offended, I have no connections with the mining industry so to me taunts are a bit pathetic.

    I was 13 at the time and any understanding is probably clouded by half truths on both sides. An illegal unballoted strike to serve the sole ambitions/ego of Scargill V Maggies war on the unions. The miners went without, the unions blossomed.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    No, I don't think there has been a working pit in Nottingham City in my living memory. I lived in Rainworth for a few years and worked in and around Mansfield, that's where the poor fuckers had to decide between feeding their families or helping that self promoting **** Scargill to more riches whilst he postured around a fight that he could never win.
    Coming from a mining family based in the City I am finding some of the comments about the city folk not being miners really quite offensive.

    No big city has a mine in the built up areas but there were plenty of pits close to the city some within the boundary and some just outside.

    Babbington is the first one that springs to mind mainly because my maternal Grandfather worked there as a Deputy 'ripper' when I was a lad and I also remember his brother being killed down that pit in 1969 in a cutting machine accident. For those of you who don't know Babbington is now the Phoenix Park Tram Terminal.Pit closed 1986 so if this is not in your living memory you must be very young.

    Shonky (Bulwell) Pit
    Broxtow
    Clifton
    Hucknall
    Bestwood

    So please don't give me any of this shit about the north of the county be some sort of King Coal; plenty of city folk lived and died mining as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    Coming from a mining family based in the City I am finding some of the comments about the city folk not being miners really quite offensive.

    No big city has a mine in the built up areas but there were plenty of pits close to the city some within the boundary and some just outside.

    Babbington is the first one that springs to mind mainly because my maternal Grandfather worked there as a Deputy 'ripper' when I was a lad and I also remember his brother being killed down that pit in 1969 in a cutting machine accident. For those of you who don't know Babbington is now the Phoenix Park Tram Terminal.Pit closed 1986 so if this is not in your living memory you must be very young.

    Shonky (Bulwell) Pit
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    Clifton
    Hucknall
    Bestwood

    So please don't give me any of this shit about the north of the county be some sort of King Coal; plenty of city folk lived and died mining as well.
    Gedling & Calverton too


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    No, I don't think there has been a working pit in Nottingham City in my living memory. I lived in Rainworth for a few years and worked in and around Mansfield, that's where the poor fuckers had to decide between feeding their families or helping that self promoting **** Scargill to more riches whilst he postured around a fight that he could never win.
    Bestwood or Gedling is probably as close as you'd get.

    Bestwood was also the site of the South Notts' Area HQ, until the contraction of the industry closed it.

    I had two Uncles who were miners and my Dad was Admin Officer at another Notts colliery during the strike.

    I also worked for RJB as a contractor in the early 90s building up their IT systems.

    As for the "Scab", again last night I just thought it ridiculous. Most of the cretins in Barnsley's meagre crowd weren't even born back then, nor would they have an understanding of the issues involved - mostly the actions of the Conservative government (who wanted payback on the Miners for their actions during the 70s, for one thing).

    I don't find it offensive, my old man worked through the strike but then he was in BACM (the Management Union) so he basically had little choice, as he and his colleagues in the management worked most weekends in the Control Room and elsewhere just to keep things ticking along.

    Time to move on, but as with so many things, our friends from Yorkshire are mired in the past.

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    Im the son of a scab and i couldn't be prouder of my old man.

    Having death threats just for going to work?

    Fuck that but thats what he did.

    He says it fucks with your head driving 30mph at a group of people whose sole intent is to stop your car, turn it over and kick the shit out of you. "Floor it and hope they move"

    When ever i go to a game and i hear it sung im usually sat next to my dad and it makes me prouder the more i hear it so let them sing.... makes my day.

    Was all that hassle worth it?

    Well with overtime he earned more than Thatcher most years and hes certainly reaping what he sown back then with his assets and life style.

    In fact thinking about it if i could have what hes got now but be forever known as a scab then id snap your hand off.

    Thing is none of it would have happened like it did if the village idiots from yorkshire had followed the democratic process and held a vote..... then everyone would have gone out together.... they didnt and they lost.

    Tough shit.


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    Wildcat strike called by that tosspot Scargill to massage his own ego, had to laugh when a copper twated him at Orgreave


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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    Coming from a mining family based in the City I am finding some of the comments about the city folk not being miners really quite offensive.

    No big city has a mine in the built up areas but there were plenty of pits close to the city some within the boundary and some just outside.

    Babbington is the first one that springs to mind mainly because my maternal Grandfather worked there as a Deputy 'ripper' when I was a lad and I also remember his brother being killed down that pit in 1969 in a cutting machine accident. For those of you who don't know Babbington is now the Phoenix Park Tram Terminal.Pit closed 1986 so if this is not in your living memory you must be very young.

    Shonky (Bulwell) Pit
    Broxtow
    Clifton
    Hucknall
    Bestwood

    So please don't give me any of this shit about the north of the county be some sort of King Coal; plenty of city folk lived and died mining as well.
    As far as I can see we lost 2 pits after the start of the miners strike in NOTTINGHAM.
    I'm from mining stick but to suggest that Nottingham plaued a major part in the strike is stretching it a bit.


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    I lived in Sutton in ashfield within a mile of Sutton colliery when I was a 12/13yr old during miners strike, sometimes it was like a war zone
    & it split my mums side of family down middle & still not fully mended to this day,
    weddings used to be brilliant tho, almost guaranteed fight everytime & I got odd days off school coz I couldn't get there.
    Back in day during late 80's through 90's it used to get my goat up when away fans (mainly Yorkshire & welsh) shouted it,
    but now I couldn't give a shit it was 33yrs ago, I've moved on.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    Its a perfect example of what happens if a union gets to big for its boots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    As far as I can see we lost 2 pits after the start of the miners strike in NOTTINGHAM.
    I'm from mining stick but to suggest that Nottingham plaued a major part in the strike is stretching it a bit.
    But that is not what you were saying, you and others are being extremely dismissive about the mining heritage of city folk.
    Now i will agree that the decline of the mining industry did not effect the city communities as much as the north of the county but that was simply because there were other industries at the time to take some of the slack. Now my heart breaks for what happened to those communities and if I was given the opportunity to go back in time and plunge a knife into Thatcher's heart (if indeed she had one) I would do it.
    But please don't diss the miners who lived in the city.


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    After i did my training at moorgreen and face training at Annesley/Bentick i had a choice of around 30 pits to chose from and we all know there's not one left now. I nearly went to work for Budge at Clipstone Chris


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Bestwood or Gedling is probably as close as you'd get.
    Why does every body forget Babbington which was in the City Boundary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Its a perfect example of what happens if a union gets to big for its boots.
    Or a Prime Minister has a God delusion.


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    Default Re: Does the term 'Scab' offend anyone here?

    The Forest fans chanted "You'll never work again ...." before any of the Scab ones from the Barnsley supporters....


 

 

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