I didn't think Osborn was very good on Saturday (which I saw). Can't pass any reasoned comment on his performances in the games i haven't watched. His ball retention didn't seem to be as good as his usual standards, he was often giving the ball to the opposition. Yes I know LWB isn't his natural position but he's a left sided midfielder who has played full back and a young, intelligent player who should be adaptable.
"Outside the family life, there is nothing better than winning the European Cups." Brian Clough
I feel it's a bit contradictory to say it's time Clough used that ability, but say people need to be more patient and understanding with Osborn because he's young and played a couple of different positions. Especially given Osborn is older and has played far more championship football than Clough, who himself has never played a settled position and is often a sub.
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"I've been blessed with many things in this life: an arm like a damn rocket, a c**k like a burmese python, and the mind of a f**king scientist" - Kenny Powers
We could be patient with both of them? And support them?
Actually, I've just read that back... mental. What was I thinking?!
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Are you sure?
Seems like you did.
Then these posts followed, perhaps not mentioning Osborn directly but they were all part of the same running conversation. The general point I took from it was that fans shouldn't be so quick to criticise our young players - which is quite correct. But then went in the opposite direction with Clough, a player who is only 22 years old, the same age as Jordan Smith who people seem to suggest is above any form of criticism because of his age, inexperience and because he's an academy product.
The points you made in the latter 3 posts I quoted are all fairly relevant to Clough. He was dropped into a mish mash of a squad last season, and the new season is only 4 games old and he's only played one and half games in it.
It seems hypocritical, in my opinion, to bemoan fans not giving players time whilst saying Clough looks like a waste of money and needs to start performing. All players should be judged by the same standards regardless of whether they came from our academy or not. Everyone in the squad needs time to prove themselves otherwise.
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That backheel was sexy. Shame he didn't nail that chance he had. Looks class. Pretty much a free role tho with no defensive duties. Could Clough or Benny look as good given that licence? Probably maybe. Dunno really.
I'm just a rambling man
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I guess not. Apologies, I can't even remember what I had for Breakfast.
Fair point. I should probably go easy on Clough. I guess I find it frustrating that he doesn't look like he's putting the effort in to be the player he was at Bolton and everyone keeps saying he's a great player... Osborn you could never accuse of a lack of graft, but point taken nonetheless.
Point taken but theres a few extenuating circumstances here that boil my piss.
This poster just fucking bashes every player we have & he's miles away from the action.
I don't think Bennys average.
I don't think he gets the credit he deserves for throwing himself into every position he's put.
The work he does off the ball goes totally unnoticed.
This inference that every player from the Academy gets wrapped in cotton wool is becoming an issue, with folk seemingly trying to counter it by bashing all the kids.
Bennys the sort of player we pick out of opposition sides as excellent players, yet we seem intent on ripping him apart because he plays for us.
Theyre different players offering different qualities though. Each can offer a different tempo to the game.
Dowells a good looking player, we're quick to overrate players though, wouldn't mind seeing a bit more given his Shrewsbury no show.
Dowell will probably flower into one of the better players we've had here, Bennys produced some excellent stuff on & off for some time, I aint sure Dowells made Benny look average just yet.
Haha, no worries mate - I am the same
He comes with a big price tag so it is understandable why people would expect more from him more quickly. But he is young and so far most players in the side are still struggling to find their footing.
Whenever I've seen Clough I've generally thought his problem isn't a lack of effort, but he can sometimes he can drift out of games. However that applies to all our creative players like Carayol and even Mckay. At times they look excellent, at others you forget they are playing because they can't get into the game. Like Osborn though I do think Clough has suffered from not having a nailed down position. Sometimes he's on the wing, others he's been played behind the striker, or in midfield or as a striker.
He has real talent though and Warburton wouldn't persevere with him if he wasn't working hard so I reckon once things start to come together as the season progresses we'll really see Clough make a mark
Why's 'average' such a problem anyway? If a player truly is average, then that means there's as many players we could pick that would be worse as there is better...
I think of Dowell as Warburton's way of buying more time. He'll never be our player but he hopefully gives us quality to enable us to compete in the short term so Warburton gets as long as possible to shape the squad to his own liking.
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