BUPA - Michael Hector

[Fawazzock]

He's known to hector the opposition



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[Trojii]

Thrilled with this signing, and shows again that we're going about things the right way and identifying quality players to fill those gaps.

[redanddeadly]

Thrilled with this signing, and shows again that we're going about things the right way and identifying quality players to fill those gaps.

If it happens?

Not quite a done deal yet, fingers and toes crossed on this one.

[Trojii]

If it happens?

Not quite a done deal yet, fingers and toes crossed on this one.

No certainly, if it happens.

[MaxiRobriguez]

It would be a miracle if we managed to get rid of Hobbs, even if it's only on loan. No one will touch him with a barge pole given his injury record in recent years. Hope I'm wrong though, getting him off the books would be a great bonus in terms of freeing up wages.

I would have suggested similar but, Matty Fryatt...

[Rzarecteh]

Rate Loftus Cheek more than Lewis Baker.....Marsh

Don't see us getting Loftus Cheek any time soon. If he goes out on loan it's probably to a Prem side.

And he's pretty much the only Chelsea youngster that has broken through - so he must be very good.

[marshal99]

If we get hector and he did well , wouldn't be surprised to see him being bought next season. At his age , if he is not making the chelski first team by now, chelski will be looking to sell him as their squad is just too big.

[MXJ]

When I saw the rumour I'd assume we were buying him outright. This will be his FOURTEENTH loan.

FOURTEEN.

1.4.

Chelski's academy is mental.

[Heffing Psycho!]

When I saw the rumour I'd assume we were buying him outright. This will be his FOURTEENTH loan.

FOURTEEN.

1.4.

Chelski's academy is mental.

To be fair 11 of them loans were when he was still a Reading player. He's only gone back to Reading on loan and to Frankfurt last season from Chelsea. Still crazy.

[Otis Redd'un]

......chelski will be looking to sell him as their squad is just too big.

It's a deliberate policy by Chelsea to carry a big squad. The club raises a considerable amount of extra finance by loaning out players on an industrial scale and regularly selling-on at a profit thereafter.

[Cortez the Killer]

This should be stopped. It's detrimental to our national side.

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[chriscl]

It's a deliberate policy by Chelsea to carry a big squad. The club raises a considerable amount of extra finance by loaning out players on an industrial scale and regularly selling-on at a profit thereafter.

It's the way they work.

I read somewhere I think wasn't it something like over 30 players that they had out on loan last season?

[Otis Redd'un]

This should be stopped. It's detrimental to our national side.

It is, but football in this country is run entirely for the benefit of the Premier League and, in particular, its so-called "elite" clubs.

In Germany, football is run primarily for the benefit of the national side. The theory being that a successful national side ultimately benefits the domestic game. Ridiculously simple.

[MaxiRobriguez]

It's the way they work.

I read somewhere I think wasn't it something like over 30 players that they had out on loan last season?

38.

[Fawazzock]

I'd rather we loaned no one.

If they fail you've wasted money and deprived your own assets of experience.

If they succeed, then odds are you pay full whack OR they move on leaving the team deflated.



Funny how you get player like Bamford who are worth a punt, but don't get game time due to short term signings/loans, then the likes of Chelsea snap em up and all of a sudden they are good enough to be a championship starter.


Take the punt on our own, fuck the loans - poor strategy in 90% of cases.

[Otis Redd'un]

It's the way they work.

I read somewhere I think wasn't it something like over 30 players that they had out on loan last season?

There is an entire department at Stamford Bridge dedicated solely to operating that policy Chris. Unless an academy/development player who has been particularly identified as having definite first-team-squad potential is involved, the head-coach will have very little, if any, say at all in which, or where, players are sent on loan.

To bolster the number of graduates from the club's academy, Chelsea employ a network of regional scouts (David Johnson formerly held such a role for the midlands area) to identify potential signings in order to operate the policy - of which, Patrick Bamford and Michael Hector are just two examples.

[chriscl]

It is, but football in this country is run entirely for the benefit of the Premier League and, in particular, its so-called "elite" clubs.

In Germany, football is run primarily for the benefit of the national side. The theory being that a successful national side ultimately benefits the domestic game. Ridiculously simple.

The German example is spot on.

Also what helps promote interest here in the Nationalmannschäft is that they play at most of the top grounds in Germany, rather than only ever playing in the country's capital (unlike some sides I could mention) so their profile is much higher.

Germany also throw ridiculous resources at the lower age sides. It's no coincidence they won the U-21 tournament and a largely second-string team won the Confederations Cup.

And you're spot on there with your observations that the success of the national side promotes the Bundesliga. And not just the top level, the 2. Bundesliga is doing well too.

[DapperDan]

The German example is spot on.

Also what helps promote interest here in the Nationalmannschäft is that they play at most of the top grounds in Germany, rather than only ever playing in the country's capital (unlike some sides I could mention) so their profile is much higher.

Germany also throw ridiculous resources at the lower age sides. It's no coincidence they won the U-21 tournament and a largely second-string team won the Confederations Cup.

And you're spot on there with your observations that the success of the national side promotes the Bundesliga. And not just the top level, the 2. Bundesliga is doing well too.

They promote man shafts? Not for me thanks.

[marshal99]

I'd rather we loaned no one.

If they fail you've wasted money and deprived your own assets of experience.

If they succeed, then odds are you pay full whack OR they move on leaving the team deflated.



Funny how you get player like Bamford who are worth a punt, but don't get game time due to short term signings/loans, then the likes of Chelsea snap em up and all of a sudden they are good enough to be a championship starter.


Take the punt on our own, fuck the loans - poor strategy in 90% of cases.

warburton has always operated that way at brentford because some players in the higher leagues are still better than what we have. alex pritchard , jon toral ,etc were loaned.

[DapperDan]

jon toral

[Otis Redd'un]

warburton has always operated that way at brentford because some players in the higher leagues are still better than what we have. alex pritchard , jon toral ,etc were loaned.

Speaking of Toral, given that MW and Frank McParland signed him on loan for both Brentford and Rangers, is he on their Forest radar? Good player.

[Heffing Psycho!]

Speaking of Toral, given that MW and Frank McParland signed him on loan for both Brentford and Rangers, is he on their Forest radar? Good player.

I'd wondered that, he's out of contract at Arsenal as well I believe, although I think we're well stocked in his position as it is.

[Rzarecteh]

Speaking of Toral, given that MW and Frank McParland signed him on loan for both Brentford and Rangers, is he on their Forest radar? Good player.

To be honest, we do absolutely not need him. We have dozens of good attacking midfielders, it's everything behind that that should be the priority from here.

[GreeksBearingGifts]

I'd rather we loaned no one.

If they fail you've wasted money and deprived your own assets of experience.

If they succeed, then odds are you pay full whack OR they move on leaving the team deflated.



Funny how you get player like Bamford who are worth a punt, but don't get game time due to short term signings/loans, then the likes of Chelsea snap em up and all of a sudden they are good enough to be a championship starter.


Take the punt on our own, fuck the loans - poor strategy in 90% of cases.

Loans without a bying option are, indeed, a somewhat desperate measure, due to financial constraints or to pressing needs or to a combination of both (I need a quality player in that position yesterday and I don't have the money to buy one).

But loans with a bying option are probably the best policy for a club that has to mind every penny.

[Ashley]

Relying heavily on loans is a dangerous game, as is building your team around loan signings. Left back has been a problem position for a long time and requires a permanent solution, and we need to sign a couple of midfielders who can do a good job for a number of years as we build a team for a promotion push in a couple of years time (so permanent signings are needed there too).

Signing Hector on loan,on the other hand, would be a more sensible use of the loan market in my opinion. A solid option to have in defence along with Mancienne and Worrall, but it won't be a disaster if we are unable to sign him permanently at the end of the season either. I'm not a huge fan of the loan system (particularly after our experiences with it), but I hope this one comes off.