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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    So maybe we should stop loaning out players to lower league clubs too?
    Our business model is completely different to Chelsea's.

    We are loaning ours out to gain experience for them to then come into the side and play...

    Chelsea's loan structure is like them buying vintage cars... they buy them in, in bulk in the hope that they will increase in value with someone else doing all the day to day shit with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Our business model is completely different to Chelsea's.

    We are loaning ours out to gain experience for them to then come into the side and play...

    Chelsea's loan structure is like them buying vintage cars... they buy them in, in bulk in the hope that they will increase in value with someone else doing all the day to day shit with them.
    Most of the young players who we loan out will end up being sold on or released too, just as they have been up to now. Our Academy is there to produce players, to supplement the first team squad but mainly to turn a profit for the club. It's not that dissimilar a model, but obviously clubs like Chelsea, Milan, Juventus and co who loan out dozens of players at a time operate on a far larger scale.

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    Is there a club in the Football League that hasn't a player on loan from Chelsea?

    Their stockpiling of young players and gaming the loan system is fine for them financially, as inevitably they turn a healthy profit on players they've pilfered from other teams' Academies.

    For me, there should be a limit to squad sizes to stop this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Most of the young players who we loan out will end up being sold on or released too, just as they have been up to now. Our Academy is there to produce players, to supplement the first team squad but mainly to turn a profit for the club. It's not that dissimilar a model, but obviously clubs like Chelsea, Milan, Juventus and co who loan out dozens of players at a time operate on a far larger scale.
    Chelsea doesnt really have any intention of any of them players becoming a first team regular though.... we do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Is there a club in the Football League that hasn't a player on loan from Chelsea?

    Their stockpiling of young players and gaming the loan system is fine for them financially, as inevitably they turn a healthy profit on players they've pilfered from other teams' Academies.

    For me, there should be a limit to squad sizes to stop this.
    They aren't breaking any rules, which is more than can be said about this club in recent years, but it isn't just Chelsea that are taking this approach - most of the bigger Italian clubs do it, and last season Arsenal had over 20 out on loan.

    I agree there needs to be a limit to the number of players a club can stockpile and loan out, but it needs to be at least Europe wide if it's going to be workable, and whilst ever there is an advantage to stock piling players clubs are going to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    They aren't breaking any rules, which is more than can be said about this club in recent years, but it isn't just Chelsea that are taking this approach - most of the bigger Italian clubs do it, and last season Arsenal had over 20 out on loan.
    At times, we have had up to 26 loanees. Since it was obvious that we were overdoing it, we have tried over the last few years to cut down on the numbers and to be more careful on where to loan which player. Most of them are nowadays headed abroad.

    I don't mind large numbers of loaned out players; it's just a way for the big clubs to make extra money, as has been pointed out, as long as it's done carefully. What I find really appalling is the Italian habit, which is not exactly loaning players out, but co-owning them. In the end, nobody knows to whom a player belongs: he can belong 50-50 to clubs A and B, loaned out by club A to club C, which may buy 25 out of the 50% of the player club A owns, and then club B makes a new bid for the remaining 25% in order to possess the majority of the player and then loan him out to club D, etc. It's crazy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    At times, we have had up to 26 loanees. Since it was obvious that we were overdoing it, we have tried over the last few years to cut down on the numbers and to be more careful on where to loan which player. Most of them are nowadays headed abroad.

    I don't mind large numbers of loaned out players; it's just a way for the big clubs to make extra money, as has been pointed out, as long as it's done carefully. What I find really appalling is the Italian habit, which is not exactly loaning players out, but co-owning them. In the end, nobody knows to whom a player belongs: he can belong 50-50 to clubs A and B, loaned out by club A to club C, which may buy 25 out of the 50% of the player club A owns, and then club B makes a new bid for the remaining 25% in order to possess the majority of the player and then loan him out to club D, etc. It's crazy.
    I'm sure you're aware that co-ownership isn't permitted in the UK leagues, thankfully. It sounds way too complicated.


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    I'm barving because of this thread, imma need to get a vegan burger real quick matched with a vegan beer made with the sweat and tears of a hipster from San Francisco


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    https://twitter.com/ground_guru/stat...57741829165056 - Speak of loaning players from Chelsea, a good map here.


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    Chelsea raise enough revenue from it to operate the system on an industrial scale. If they uncover just one potential gem out of every hundred or so they've hoovered-up it's probably seen as a bonus.

    As for Alex, I'm pleased to see he's swerved the Sadpies and chosen a club where he's more likely to be appreciated, and more importantly, develop.

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    AC Milan?

    Also, who have we loaned from Chelsea?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    They aren't breaking any rules
    Of course not, self-defeating to break the rules when they more or less set them. Football in England/Europe is run how a handful of big clubs need it to be to maintain their position at the top.

    They can practically pick and choose who they want to go up and down across the leagues which is clearly a bad for the integrity of the competition if nothing else.

    Thirty-three Chelsea players went out on loan last season. Why not two hundred? Aim for two players at every Championship club. They could hold a Chelsea draft and show it live on TV, Sky would love it. Chelsea choose the order of draft picks based on who in the past has sold them the their best youth products at the cheapest price. Probably not breaking any rules. And if it is, Chelsea can challenge them. Say it is 'for the good of the English national team' like all the other times.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Number Five View Post
    Of course not, self-defeating to break the rules when they more or less set them. Football in England/Europe is run how a handful of big clubs need it to be to maintain their position at the top.

    They can practically pick and choose who they want to go up and down across the leagues which is clearly a bad for the integrity of the competition if nothing else.

    Thirty-three Chelsea players went out on loan last season. Why not two hundred? Aim for two players at every Championship club. They could hold a Chelsea draft and show it live on TV, Sky would love it. Chelsea choose the order of draft picks based on who in the past has sold them the their best youth products at the cheapest price. Probably not breaking any rules. And if it is, Chelsea can challenge them. Say it is 'for the good of the English national team' like all the other times.
    Parma had 226 players listed as playing for, or having affiliation to the club a couple of years ago. 109 were out on loan. Juventus had 64. So yes, Chelsea have a way to go yet before they catch up.

    Despite this, the Premier League is still the most competitive of all the top European leagues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas View Post
    AC Milan?

    Also, who have we loaned from Chelsea?


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    John Terry
    Ryan Bertrand
    Sam Hutchison
    Rob Wolleaston
    Todd Kane
    Nathaniel Chalobah

    I think we went to the back of the draft as they didn't like us paying late.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas View Post
    AC Milan?

    Also, who have we loaned from Chelsea?
    Ryan Bertrand and Nathanial Chalobah, to name two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Parma had 226 players listed as playing for, or having affiliation to the club a couple of years ago. 109 were out on loan. Juventus had 64. So yes, Chelsea have a way to go yet before they catch up.

    Despite this, the Premier League is still the most competitive of all the top European leagues.
    Yeah, and Billy Davies delivered our best cup run for twenty years.


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    He can't even get on the bench. Looks like another badly thought out loan move...


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    He can't even get on the bench. Looks like another badly thought out loan move...
    Perhaps not fit yet?


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    Could he have an injury, played 20 mins on his debut in a friendly and came off


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    Enough with the rational responses. More knee-jerking needed.


 

 

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