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    Vaughn and Cohen to stay, with Cash and Ahmedhodzic as understudies for next season to be slowly brought through.

    Mance also will stay. Warbo repeatedly states that he loves a player who can comfortably play in multiple positions, and Mance is comfortable at RB/CB/DM and can do a job at LB too. Thats why when Traore came in over Pinillos, Pinillos wasn't even on the bench cos Mance can cover the whole back 4 if needs be.

    I can see Perquis going in the summer (sadly) as he's been shifted out the 11 by the Worrall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MXJ View Post
    Vaughn and Cohen to stay, with Cash and Ahmedhodzic as understudies for next season to be slowly brought through.

    Mance also will stay. Warbo repeatedly states that he loves a player who can comfortably play in multiple positions, and Mance is comfortable at RB/CB/DM and can do a job at LB too. Thats why when Traore came in over Pinillos, Pinillos wasn't even on the bench cos Mance can cover the whole back 4 if needs be.

    I can see Perquis going in the summer (sadly) as he's been shifted out the 11 by the Worrall.
    I'd forget Mancienne at DM under Warburton. Maybe the slow build up under Dougie, but with the new manager asking for the ball to be recycled at pace, Mancienne won't cope.

    As for the FB positions, you only have to watch Lichaj, Pinillos & Traore work there to see how limited Mancienne is there too, particularly going forward. We're better off having designated cover there.

    Ultimately Manc should be judged as a CB, he's a fucking expensive one though, 20+k a week over the last 3 years doesnt jump out as value for money, I see Worrall, Fox & Mills as very viable alternatives given the saving.


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    With players like Cohen and Vaughan, its currently about how they are managed, and how their training is suited to their faults.
    But the fact is we cannot rely on either of these players, we cant build a season around them in midfield, too many seasons in the past we have been waiting.

    Constantly waiting for players to be fit, constantly saying "once he gets fit we'll have a great team". I really don't want Forest to do that anymore.
    It sounds harsh, but I wouldn't mind if we let go either / both of them, and move on to the future. Cohen will still be a Forest legend no matter what.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MXJ View Post
    I can see Perquis going in the summer (sadly) as he's been shifted out the 11 by the Worrall.
    As he'll still be under contract I'm not so sure he'll be released, unless, of course, he forces the issue.

    I thought he'd overcome injury (he'd undergone an operation on his jaw) some weeks ago and had simply been overlooked for selection by Brazil and then MW, but that's evidently not the case as he only returned to full training last week.

    The fact he's a steady, robust defender and relatively comfortable with the ball at his feet makes me think he might still find favour with MW.

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    Season stats at 9h April

    Player Appearances (sub)Goals Yellow Card Red Cards
    Dorus de Vries. 1
    Eric Lichaj 38 (2) 2 9 1
    Daniel Pinillos 12 (1) 1 1
    Michael Mancienne 23 (3) 3 1
    Matt Mills 25 (2) 1 8 1
    Armand Traore 9 (3) 1
    Matty Fryatt
    Chris Cohen 17 3
    Britt Assombalonga 18 (10) 10
    Henri Lansbury 18 (1) 6 9
    Ben Osborn 42 (2) 4 5
    Nicolao Dumitru 8 (4) 1 1
    Danny Fox 20 (1) 8 1
    Lars Veldwijk 2 (1) 1
    Nicklas Bendtner 9 ( 2 1
    Aaron Tshibola 2 (2) 1
    Zach Clough 8 (3) 4
    Hildeberto Pereira 18 (6) 2 6 3
    Mustapha Carayol 9 (
    Jamie Ward 12 (3) 2 4
    Lica 2 (5)
    Jamie Paterson 2 (1) 1
    Pajtim Kasami 20 (7) 2 4
    David Vaughan 22 (6) 1 2
    Jack Hobbs 10 3
    Damien Perquis 19 2 2 1
    Thomas Lam 13 ( 2 6 1
    Stephen Henderson 14 (1) 1
    Oliver Burke 5 (2) 4 1
    Jorge Grant 4 (2)
    Vladimir Stojkovic 21 1
    Apostolos Vellios 13 (17) 6 4
    Alex Iacovitti 2 1
    Matty Cash 19 (7) 4
    Joe Worrall 16 1
    Jordan Smith 9 (1)
    Ben Brereton 9 (4) 3 1
    James Thorne 1 1
    Anel Ahmedhodzic (1)
    Ross McCormack 3 (4) 1

    Read more at http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/te...ijvtpXI5mCR.99

    Tells everything you need to know with what is wrong with us

    - only two players with more than 30 appearances, Eric and Osborn
    - so many of what we call 'quality' have played so few games, Cohen, Vaughan, Mancienne, Mills, Hobbs, Pinillios, Traore
    - second top scorer Lansbury and Vellios, third top Burke!!!!, attacking midfielder Osborn four goals in 42 games.
    - so few appearances by all the Loan players

    We are carrying way to many players and should get rid of anyone not good enough or not fit enough to play at least 30 games, yes including Cohen and Vaughan.


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    Think Vaughan and Cohen should both be given player/coach roles on reduced wages if they want to stay.


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    In terms of Mance if we can get the right sort of replacement in - maybe someone like Grant Hanley then we would be better suited paying his wages elsewhere.


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    Hanley was only signed for 5 years last year by newcastle. He'll be on hugh wages , not sure why people seemed to think he's a better alternative than mancienne 25k ? Ridiculous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seacucumber View Post
    In terms of Mance if we can get the right sort of replacement in - maybe someone like Grant Hanley then we would be better suited paying his wages elsewhere.
    Hanley is rumoured to be on 20k a week. He hasn't had a sniff for Newcastle and nearly joined Wolves in Jan.

    If they sign more players when they get promoted he might be surplus to requirements.


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    according to the post warburton is keen to take some tottenham kids on loan and become a feeder club to help progress there youngsters. with warburton history with working with youngsters and history in london it does seem very plausible but he does seem the kind of guy that can nurture the talent, very positive, dont see sticking with many of the players bought in


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    Quote Originally Posted by seacucumber View Post
    Hanley is rumoured to be on 20k a week. He hasn't had a sniff for Newcastle and nearly joined Wolves in Jan.

    If they sign more players when they get promoted he might be surplus to requirements.

    If people whine about mancienne getting big wages , how do you advocate getting someone in to replace on almost equally high wages. Personally , never thought that highly of hanley. He's slow and a bit of a thug. There's a reason why he has zero game time while a far superior player in lascelles retained his place in defence.


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    Theses are some of the key figures posted by the Evening Post for the 2015/16 season

    Key Performance Indicators
    League position down from 14th to 16th in the Championship
    Turnover up from £18,152,000 to £18,424,000
    Average match attendance down from 23,492 to 19,676
    Season tickets sold down from 15,482 to 14,079

    Turnover and other revenue
    Sponsorship down from £633,000 to £325,000
    Advertising up from £153,000 to £252,000
    TV & radio up from £416,000 to £558,000
    Tickets & membership sales down from £7,704,000 to £6,297,000
    Commercial down from £1,025,000 to £962,000
    Retail up from £232,000 to £2,465,000

    Employees
    Playing staff up from 67 to 68

    Non-playing staff up from 129 to 154

    Wages and salaries up from £26,244,000 to £26,939,000

    and yes it may changed a bit to the 2016/17 season but probably not that much, so anyone who thinks we can pay people 20k a week, never mind more, is just delusional. Until we get PL money, parachute payments, triple the commercial income, or slash the headcount, no chance to pay these sort of wages.

    Good job we have the academy!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by forest_forever_99 View Post
    Turnover and other revenue
    Sponsorship down from £633,000 to £325,000
    Advertising up from £153,000 to £252,000
    TV & radio up from £416,000 to £558,000
    Tickets & membership sales down from £7,704,000 to £6,297,000
    Commercial down from £1,025,000 to £962,000
    Retail up from £232,000 to £2,465,000
    Taken a big hit on tickets there but that retail increase is an incredibly savvy bit of business from NFFC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MXJ View Post
    Taken a big hit on tickets there but that retail increase is an incredibly savvy bit of business from NFFC.
    It's not as good as it looks.

    Previously our deal with Kitbag saw them paying an up front fee every season to sell our merchandise where they then bore the costs for manufacturing, shipping etc. Forest now have to cover those costs in advance. In reality I'd imagine there is actually little difference between the profit gained between the two different routes to supply especially considering that both match day attendances and other commercial activities have been falling, meaning there are fewer customers coming to the ground and therefore the club shop as most of the merchandise sales will be over the counter rather than online.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    It's not as good as it looks.

    Previously our deal with Kitbag saw them paying an up front fee every season to sell our merchandise where they then bore the costs for manufacturing, shipping etc. Forest now have to cover those costs in advance. In reality I'd imagine there is actually little difference between the profit gained between the two different routes to supply especially considering that both match day attendances and other commercial activities have been falling, meaning there are fewer customers coming to the ground and therefore the club shop as most of the merchandise sales will be over the counter rather than online.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IanStoreyMoore View Post
    Good old Swagman.....glass half empty again.....just like me. Between us we're about as optimistic as a frog crossing a motorway !
    It's not really pessimism though, is it?

    It's better to be realistic, like ourselves, than think things are better than they are. A dose of realism never hurt anyone.


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    I'm hoping that we try and build our squad around a style of play, where numerous players can slot into the side, as and when required as don't want to be overly reliant on certain individuals.

    Especially with our squad being so injury prone of recent years.

    I'm hoping MW streamlines the squad but so that there's still enough depth.

    Certain players who are just at the club but never likely to play need to be moved on as they are the one's costing us big time.

    Recruitment ought to be done a damn site better this summer but don't expect miracles in terms of reducing our spending as we need to remain as competitive as possible and may as well have MW aiming for a promotion push even if we eventually finish mid table where I currently think we ought to be.

    Fingers crossed MW can work miracles but any improvement on this season will do next season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    It's not really pessimism though, is it?

    It's better to be realistic, like ourselves, than think things are better than they are. A dose of realism never hurt anyone.
    Correct, 90% of folk live in a dreamland, they meander about in a trance of unrealistic hopes, or bury their heads in the the sand and hope the crap goes away. Face it or leave the arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    Correct, 90% of folk live in a dreamland, they meander about in a trance of unrealistic hopes, or bury their heads in the the sand
    You mean like the Labour party?


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    Labour are alright.

    It's the Corbynistas who are the fucking problem, too many of which are momentum members from London who have hardly any idea of the role of the unions and industries that created the Labour movement in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagman View Post
    Labour are alright.

    It's the Corbynistas who are the fucking problem, too many of which are momentum members from London who have hardly any idea of the role of the unions and industries that created the Labour movement in the first place.


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    If we brought back the real old labour added with the power the unions used to have, then the working class would once again have a voice and a solution to the current problems we face!

    It's all a load of horseshit these days and think it always will be from now on.

    These are the days of alternative facts where there's far too much to divert people's attentions.

    The days where you could rise up through the unions are long gone.

    Can see us being run by the rich capitalist elite for many years to come, not that they weren't always pulling the strings in reality but they have nonetheless well and truly slammed the door shut on that avenue now!

    Anyway I'll leave it there with the political shite as it's gonna empty the room/forum!


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    When does Corbyns contract run out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DapperDan View Post
    When does Corbyns contract run out?
    Not sure, but he suits the left wing.

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    Would expect Ben Brereton to sign a new contract in a week or two. He turns 18 on 18th of April so is eligible for a proper contract opposed to the youth one and would assume the club will want to tie him down to a long term deal.


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    Given how the squad has grown ridiculously large over the last season, there will be an inevitable turnover of players in the summer. I'm hoping to see something along the following lines regarding players being let go or retained.

    Green = Keep
    Yellow = Loan out
    Red = Euthanise

    Goalkeepers:

    Jordan Smith
    Stephen Henderson

    Dimitar Evtimov
    Vladimir Stojkovic

    Defenders:

    Eric Lichaj
    Daniel Pinillos
    Michael Mancienne
    Armand Traore
    Danny Fox
    Joe Worrall

    Alex Iacovatti
    Damien Perquis
    Matt Mills
    Hildeberto Pereira
    Jack Hobbs


    Midfielders:

    Zach Clough
    Matty Cash
    Chris Cohen
    David Vaughan
    Ben Osborn
    Jamie Ward
    Anel Ahmedhovzic

    Jorge Grant
    Pajtim Kasami
    Aaron Tshibola
    Mustapha Carayol
    Lica
    Nicolao Dumitru
    Thomas Lam


    Forwards:

    Ben Brereton
    Britt Assombalonga
    Apostolos Vellios

    Tyler Walker
    Gerry McDonagh

    Ross McCormack


 

 

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