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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    The Chinese through, are a great bunch of lads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Isn't it strange that you lot are continually obsessed about Trump, meanwhile the Chinese government continues to execute hundreds of people without proper process, are violently crushing dissent in HK, putting Muslims in concentration camps, stealing technology over the internet, colonising and raping Africa, persecuting Christians, dumping on foreign markets to kill local production, threatening to invade Taiwan, hiving off large sections of the oceans around them and failing to cut back on pollution targets.

    Never mind you can all tell yourselves how woke you are.
    I don't think we have 'special alliance' status with China. This sort of makes the Presisdent of the free world stand out for extra scruitny.

    It's very unlikely that we'll be sending our tropps int oa battle alongside the chinese anytime soon. However, it's very likely that somemay die in an American lead war. It matters then when the the president is clown or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    I don't think we have 'special alliance' status with China. This sort of makes the Presisdent of the free world stand out for extra scruitny.

    It's very unlikely that we'll be sending our tropps int oa battle alongside the chinese anytime soon. However, it's very likely that somemay die in an American lead war. It matters then when the the president is clown or not.
    So basically what you are saying is that you will hold the American's feet to the fire because they are "friends" whilst you let the Chinese ride rough shod over YOU and everything YOU claim to hold sacred?

    Good strategy Mr Chamberlain.

    I suspect actually it is more to do with your conformist Leftwing mindset that cannot deviate from the approved narrative because you will get ostracised as a wrong thinker by your fellow Scouse apparatchiks.


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    No, I didn't say that.

    Commenting on Trump doesn't make for condoning China, Sudan or anywhere else.

    Your just silly. Even my 11 year old daughter is beyond that kind of game.


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    It's very common rhetoric to attempt to discredit an argument by pointing at something worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    So basically what you are saying is that you will hold the American's feet to the fire because they are "friends" whilst you let the Chinese ride rough shod over YOU and everything YOU claim to hold sacred?

    Good strategy Mr Chamberlain.

    I suspect actually it is more to do with your conformist Leftwing mindset that cannot deviate from the approved narrative because you will get ostracised as a wrong thinker by your fellow Scouse apparatchiks.
    Look; I fought in a „war“ led primarily by Americans.

    The justification for that war was an invasion of one sovereign country by another.

    I didn’t much care for the Americans - overly-loud braggarts, mostly - but their military technology was first-rate, and their leadership (although I wouldn’t necessarily agree with them politically at the time) was sound.

    George H. W. Bush and Colin Powell made the case for getting Saddam out of Kuwait, and made it well.

    Trump and John Bolton?

    I’d trust them about as far as I could throw the USS Abraham Lincoln.

    You have to have absolute confidence in your leadership before you go into battle for them.

    Would Americans be willing to die for Trump?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    No, I didn't say that.

    Commenting on Trump doesn't make for condoning China, Sudan or anywhere else.

    Your just silly. Even my 11 year old daughter is beyond that kind of game.
    It is all about "proportion" again, just the same as the Israel bashing that comes from your Momentum mates. America and Israel are working democracies with independent judiciaries and are friends of the UK.

    If you really cared about Human Rights the way you claim to, you should be bashing the Hamas and Chinese dictatorships, but that would probably lose you a lot of friends in the political circles you mix in. Not woke or trendy is it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Look; I fought in a „war“ led primarily by Americans.

    The justification for that war was an invasion of one sovereign country by another.

    I didn’t much care for the Americans - overly-loud braggarts, mostly - but their military technology was first-rate, and their leadership (although I wouldn’t necessarily agree with them politically at the time) was sound.

    George H. W. Bush and Colin Powell made the case for getting Saddam out of Kuwait, and made it well.

    Trump and John Bolton?

    I’d trust them about as far as I could throw the USS Abraham Lincoln.

    You have to have absolute confidence in your leadership before you go into battle for them.

    Would Americans be willing to die for Trump?
    The world has changed since Gulf 2, military technology and the methods of warfare are very, very different now.

    A war in the Gulf 2 methodology is not in Trump's interests, but there are other more effective and less direct ways to squeeze the Mullahs out of office. The Sabre Rattling is a sideshow.

    The trick now is to create a climate where the Iranian people overthrow the Mullahs.

    Let's also be honest Trump does not like Merkel or the EU, and Merkel and the EU have been cosying up to the Mullahs for trade reasons.

    All's fair in love and war. How's the negotiations between Germany and that nice Mr Putin going on regarding the Russian-German gas pipeline?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    Not Trump related but a wonderful snippet of his favourite 'news' channel.

    https://twitter.com/brianklaas/statu...868493826?s=19

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    And old Donald Duck has the nerve to criticize the UK.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48660143

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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    Netanyahu playing Trump like a fiddle. Unbelievable, but how do you deal with a narcissist? You flatter them.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/polit...ntl/index.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed View Post
    Netanyahu playing Trump like a fiddle. Unbelievable, but how do you deal with a narcissist? You flatter them.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/polit...ntl/index.html
    Well in the Palestinian ruled areas they name streets after terrorists who have murdered innocent women and children. I also recall the "moral" rush in the 80s to name places after Winnie Mandela in the UK. That went well didn't it?

    Trump has correctly recognised the Golan to be Israeli territory and one small village is no big deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Well in the Palestinian ruled areas they name streets after terrorists who have murdered innocent women and children. I also recall the "moral" rush in the 80s to name places after Winnie Mandela in the UK. That went well didn't it?

    Trump has correctly recognised the Golan to be Israeli territory and one small village is no big deal.
    Nothing but "whataboutism." Bibi kissing Trump's ass to get him to do what he wants in the region. Manipulation of a weak mind. Trump recognises what he is told to recognise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed View Post
    Nothing but "whataboutism." Bibi kissing Trump's ass to get him to do what he wants in the region. Manipulation of a weak mind. Trump recognises what he is told to recognise.
    Every POTUS builds friendships and allies, that is what their job is. Nothing whataboutism to it, just normal politics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Well in the Palestinian ruled areas they name streets after terrorists who have murdered innocent women and children. I also recall the "moral" rush in the 80s to name places after Winnie Mandela in the UK. That went well didn't it?

    Trump has correctly recognised the Golan to be Israeli territory and one small village is no big deal.
    Terrorist or freedom fighter? Depends on which side you are on. The Israeli state uses it's armed forces to do it's killing.

    'One small village on big deal' go tell that to the guys who live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    Terrorist or freedom fighter? Depends on which side you are on. The Israeli state uses it's armed forces to do it's killing.

    'One small village on big deal' go tell that to the guys who live there.
    Of course it depends which side you are on. I have a dog in this fight, do you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    Terrorist or freedom fighter? Depends on which side you are on. The Israeli state uses it's armed forces to do it's killing.

    'One small village on big deal' go tell that to the guys who live there.
    Careful now, don’t forget ‘criticising the actions of Israel’ is defined as anti-Semitic these days.

    Oh FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonalair View Post
    Careful now, don’t forget ‘criticising the actions of Israel’ is defined as anti-Semitic these days.
    Exactly which clauses of the IHRA do you object to?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Exactly which clauses of the IHRA do you object to?
    It’s the blatant censorship!

    What one that bugs me is if you claim the only two decent things to ever come out of Israel are Gal Gadot and the Israeli Defence Industries Desert Eagle 0,50 calibre handgun, they look at you like you’re some kind of Nazi!

    I tell you, Jesus would be appalled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Exactly which clauses of the IHRA do you object to?
    The bit where you can't criticise the actions of Israel............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    The bit where you can't criticise the actions of Israel............
    It does NOT say that.

    It says:

    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.


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    The IHRA Working Definition is here

    https://www.holocaustremembrance.com...n-antisemitism


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    No idea about politics myself but I read today that Trump is re-elected he promises to find a cure for cancer and AIDS. Why not just do it now and build a hotel on Jupiter? It was a tabloid so may be twisted words. Fuck knows,he seems like the kind of guy that may spew shite to the deluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    It does NOT say that.

    It says:

    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    Both of which are deliberately excluded from Labour's NEC Code of Conduct on Antisemitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    It does NOT say that.

    It says:

    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    You skipped a bit:

    „However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.“

    If you want to criticise Israel for using its military and shelling Palestinian civilians, that is not antisemitic nor racist, and you should be able to do so, without censorship or accusations or bias, much as you can criticise the Saudis for continuing to try and bomb Yemen off the map (with, it has to be said, significant British help) or the Americans for trying to bully economically other countries.


 

 

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