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    Would you rather she just made something up or promised things that can never be delivered?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley View Post
    Would you rather she just made something up or promised things that can never be delivered?
    I rather her not to lie.


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    Michelle Obama would be a better president than either candidate, she's so majestic. Hillary will win by a landslide though, there's no way the moderate vote is going to side with a lunatic like Trump. Status quo beats the sensationalist unknown quantity. Either way, I can't see Elizabeth Warren not being president in eight years time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Michelle Obama would be a better president than either candidate, she's so majestic. Hillary will win by a landslide though, there's no way the moderate vote is going to side with a lunatic like Trump. Status quo beats the sensationalist unknown quantity. Either way, I can't see Elizabeth Warren not being president in eight years time.
    Do you honestly think so. Over confidence is what caught the remain camp out here in the UK.

    Bernie Sanders has given Clinton a good run for her money on a socialist ticket. 1% of the US population owns 38% of the wealth. Clinton is one of the 1%. People are fed up of being dictated to, they want change. Trump might not be the ideal candidate, but for many I think he will be a better choice than what has come before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Michelle Obama would be a better president than either candidate, she's so majestic. Hillary will win by a landslide though, there's no way the moderate vote is going to side with a lunatic like Trump. Status quo beats the sensationalist unknown quantity. Either way, I can't see Elizabeth Warren not being president in eight years time.
    First bit I agree with, second bit I used to agree with before the referendum. People are scared, and more are listening to the far right hate politicians with every news headline they read. It's making Canada look more amazing by the month.


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    I saw his speech last week and immediately thought he will win a lot of votes if he continues as such. He has clearly hired some top political strategists.

    Whether he will beat Hilary is another matter, but there's a lot of parallels with our referendum. I wonder if it will go in a similar way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I can't see Elizabeth Warren not being president in eight years time.
    I suspect that in 8 years time they might consider her too old as she's 67 now. Reagan was the oldest president at the time of his election at 69. At 77 when he stepped down he was really showing his age.


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    Earth will have gone by then anyway.


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    Isn't it a bit sad and symptomatic of the crisis of the working class that so many choose Trump, UKIP, National Front etc because traditional working class parties and candidates either have left the electorate cold or don't exist?

    I watched Sanders' DNC speech, and he talks a good game. If he hadn't graduated in the same class as St. Thomas of Aquinas and Frederick Barbarossa, he might have stood a chance again in four years.

    Yeah, Trump is a bigot and an arse, but he apparently manages to tap into some emotions that others haven't.
    Clinton's biggest problem is that she just isn't likeable. Even young women don't like her. Her problematic relationship with the truth doesn't exactly strengthen her candidacy, in my opinion.

    I understand why people vote for simple solutions. I really do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Red Till Dead View Post
    I suspect that in 8 years time they might consider her too old as she's 67 now. Reagan was the oldest president at the time of his election at 69. At 77 when he stepped down he was really showing his age.
    Isn't Hillary Clinton 68? A two-term presidency would take her to 76 then?

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    I seem to recall back in 1980 that Reagan's age was repeatedly mentioned. But with the Tehran embassy occupation and hostage crisis and various other foreign policy setbacks for Carter, he hardly couldn't lose anyway.
    If I am not entirely mistaken, Carter himself wasn't exactly the one the DNC wanted to run in 1976. Jerry Brown, who's STILL governor of California, threw his hat in the ring rather late on a "anyone but Carter" ticket. Beating Ford and the Republicans seemed a mere formality back then, after Watergate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    It tells you a lot about how backwards America is that when someone wanted to smear Bernie Sanders, they wanted to do it by outing him as an atheist.


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    Is Trump really religious though. I know he comes out with the odd line to appease the religious right of the Republican party but does he actually buy into any of it, in affecting his future policy.

    He might actually be the first agnostic/atheist in the White House. Surely that's a positive..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn View Post
    Is Trump really religious though. I know he comes out with the odd line to appease the religious right of the Republican party but does he actually buy into any of it, in affecting his future policy.

    He might actually be the first agnostic/atheist in the White House. Surely that's a positive..
    There's probably a lot of atheist politicians in the US. Very few if any are open about it though. Trump certainly claims to be a Christian. He claims the Bible is his favourite book (which is obviously BS, but it's what he claims.)


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    Trump is clearly a misogynist and probably bit racist.. But as Tomasj stated he clearly speaks form the heart and doesn't care about upsetting lobbyists and corporate sponsors. I think a lot of people buy into that and see that as an admirable trait.

    As far as Crooked Hillary goes, she shouldn't have even made it this far given the federal case put against her.

    If I had committed the same action I'd be in jail right now, no doubt about it. The Republicans are (quite rightly) beating her to death with this, and its working.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    There's probably a lot of atheist politicians in the US. Very few if any are open about it though. Trump certainly claims to be a Christian. He claims the Bible is his favourite book (which is obviously BS, but it's what he claims.)
    I listened to Sam Harris on the Joe Rogan podcast and he mentioned this, some of the times he's mentioned the bible he's clearly not very clue'd up on the subject matter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn View Post
    I listened to Sam Harris on the Joe Rogan podcast and he mentioned this, some of the times he's mentioned the bible he's clearly not very clue'd up on the subject matter.
    Yes he got caught out when he was asked to name his favourite part of the Bible.
    The point I was making wasn't about whether Bernie is an atheist or not but the stigma there still is America about atheism, and not just in politics, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Isn't Hillary Clinton 68? A two-term presidency would take her to 76 then?
    Yes, Chris, she would be, but perhaps she wouldn't want to stand for a second term. Reagan was 77 years 349 days when he stepped down and was very much showing his age.

    Tobias said he expected Elizabeth Warren to be president in 8 years time, but by then she would be 75 at the time of the election. Given how the office seems to age people I would suspect that it wouldn't be a wise move on her part.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn View Post
    He might actually be the first agnostic/atheist in the White House. Surely that's a positive..
    It's a pretty open secret that Obama's an atheist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    Yes he got caught out when he was asked to name his favourite part of the Bible.
    The point I was making wasn't about whether Bernie is an atheist or not but the stigma there still is America about atheism, and not just in politics, too.

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    Its crazy, they are so far behind the rest of the developed world in that regard. They'll catch up .. eventually I imagine


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichaj of the Tiger View Post
    It's a pretty open secret that Obama's an atheist.
    I thought he was supposed to be Kenyan?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn View Post
    Is Trump really religious though. I know he comes out with the odd line to appease the religious right of the Republican party but does he actually buy into any of it, in affecting his future policy.

    He might actually be the first agnostic/atheist in the White House. Surely that's a positive..
    The problem is that he is drawing a lot of his support from the gun toting fire and brimstone population south of the Mason Dixon line and if he goes openly against God then he will loose a large body of that support.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    The problem is that he is drawing a lot of his support from the gun toting fire and brimstone population south of the Mason Dixon line and if he goes openly against God then he will loose a large body of that support.
    He has quite a lot of supporters here in California. They're a bunch of sensitive twats I'll give you that, when someone insults them in Twitter fashion like "kys you fucking idiot" and they get all salty and shit.


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    The part where they get the votes during the DNC was cringier than Eurovision.

    Speaking of the DNC why did they get a young girl out to defend "Undocumented Immigrants"? Surely they are just Illegal immigrants and should be deported. Was it just pandering for the Latino vote?

    The whole Illegal Immigrant thing in the states is just confusing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liaminho View Post
    The part where they get the votes during the DNC was cringier than Eurovision.

    Speaking of the DNC why did they get a young girl out to defend "Undocumented Immigrants"? Surely they are just Illegal immigrants and should be deported.
    Was it just pandering for the Latino vote?

    The whole Illegal Immigrant thing in the states is just confusing to me.
    Pandering obviously. All politicians do is pander, and trying to get the Latino vote is EXTREMELY important. And I do agree with you about the states casting the votes, it's really cringy when a state tries to show the rest of the DNC that it's a great and beautiful state or some kiss arse shit.

    Something that made me cry was when Bernie sanders older brother started to tear up when he casted his vote for Bernie.


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    You know who I'd like as president in the US? Robert Kennedy.


 

 

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