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    Quote Originally Posted by SDRED View Post
    A border wall is being used as a bargaining chip in my opinion, read Trumps book and see how successful business people negotiate.
    Health System absolute shamble eh? Try to get minor surgery in UK as fast then. I have experienced both and the US system is far superior in several ways even if you have nowt.
    Student debt, sure there is but why don't more of these kids get a job and help pay their debt instead of sponging on their parents. Also, not be influence by peers to go to fancy expensive colleges, then come home filled with Liberal hate.
    Lead, well you are conveniently forgetting this was exposed in the Obama reign and his government did nothing.
    Yes the roads need work, again the Obama government did not cough up but then states are responsible for upkeep and for instance, the California Democratic government have spent millions on a train from nowhere/middle of the desert to SanFran, mainly to carry migrants to be sure and spent ridiculous money on many social programs instead of improving the infrastructure. By the way do you know anything about the incredible retirement pensions democratic city councils put in place for themselves that is crippling the budgets of cities?? check that one out.

    At the end of the day when we compare this administration with the previous a difference is that the media is reporting the glass as half empty and not half full as it was under Obama.

    Wise up and read both sides of the situation and you will see Trump is doing more things for working people than ever Obama did.

    We can argue all day but that is my humble opinion from over the pond where we can get two sides to the story more easily than you.
    But what about Obama??.......you've got your GOP answer to the fault's of the current President down pat. It's January 2018, it's been a year, the "but what about that guy?" defence is tiresome, Trump is driving the bus now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    So why has the WALL and SECURITY FENCING around the channel tunnel entrance and road leading to it been beefed up in the last few of years....at Britain's request and cost I believe.

    According to the Guardian:

    "The latest Channel disruption came as the (then) home secretary, Theresa May, committed an extra £7m in UK government funding to help increase security at the Channel tunnel’s railhead at Coquilles."

    If you are going to preach morality Barbus...then get your ducks in a row.
    I used to use the Eurostar fairly regularly, usually every six weeks or so.

    The security fencing was increased mostly to stop people getting into the tunnel not because they then expected thousands to walk thirty miles to the U.K., but more accurately because they did not want them to walk into the tunnel entrance and get splattered by a train, thus causing an obvious fatality, and potentially more serious accidents, plus also the inevitable disruption to the Eurostar service, which costs money.

    Lots of money.

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    This one did make me laugh:

    “We must recognize the full human equality of all of our people before God, before the law, and in the councils of government. We must do this, not because it is economically advantageous, although it is; not because of the laws of God command it, although they do; not because people in other lands wish it so. We must do it for the single and fundamental reason that it is the right thing to do.” - Robert F. Kennedy, June 6, 1966

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” - President Donald Trump, January 11, 2018



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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    This one did make me laugh:

    “We must recognize the full human equality of all of our people before God, before the law, and in the councils of government. We must do this, not because it is economically advantageous, although it is; not because of the laws of God command it, although they do; not because people in other lands wish it so. We must do it for the single and fundamental reason that it is the right thing to do.” - Robert F. Kennedy, June 6, 1966

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” - President Donald Trump, January 11, 2018
    And certain posters compare The Donald to John F. Kennedy too!


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    Here you are exactly what I have been saying from none other than the Humanist and Leftwing Harvard professor Steven Pinker. Trumps popularity and that of the Alt Right are being driven by the insane political correctness and the crushing of free speech by the Progressive Left.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r8oMfURPMI

    You so called Progressives cannot and will not shut down free speech.

    As Ben Shapiro says when he was at university both Pinker and Dershowitz were regarded as Leftwing now they get harangued as being Alt-Right apologists by the loonie Progressives.


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    We're not shutting down free speech. We're saying the President of the United States is a fucking moron and a disgrace to the nation that he represents.

    He's absolutely free to continue demonstrating as such.

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    The political correctness thing is just a ruse for Rightehs who run out of big words they don't understand and can no longer engage in debate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Here you are exactly what I have been saying from none other than the Humanist and Leftwing Harvard professor Steven Pinker. Trumps popularity and that of the Alt Right are being driven by the insane political correctness and the crushing of free speech by the Progressive Left.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r8oMfURPMI

    You so called Progressives cannot and will not shut down free speech.

    As Ben Shapiro says when he was at university both Pinker and Dershowitz were regarded as Leftwing now they get harangued as being Alt-Right apologists by the loonie Progressives.
    In your opinion who is a "progressive" on here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    You so called Progressives cannot and will not shut down free speech.
    No, but you will, by throwing the ball outside the stadium whenever you're cornered and making instead another Trumpese newspeak declaration as the one above.

    You win, like Trump.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    We're not shutting down free speech. We're saying the President of the United States is a fucking moron and a disgrace to the nation that he represents.

    He's absolutely free to continue demonstrating as such.

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    Zeus - When someone with the Leftwing and intellectual credentials of Pinker says the Progressives are shutting down Free Speech, which they are, then you need to listen.

    Calling Trump a "fucking moron and a disgrace to the nation" serves no purpose whatsoever. What Trump has done so far has been within the law and little different from what previous POTUS have done in the past. You just reinforce what Pinker is saying.


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    Hmmm.

    I cannot recall Barack Obama disparaging potential immigrants to the United States as coming from “shithole countries”?

    And indeed, it was Obama who enacted legislation to protect the “Dreamers”, legislation that Trump has sought to dismantle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MariAndy!s View Post
    My grandparents didn't come over here so some immigrants can walk in and take over.
    Yeah, more of this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Zeus - When someone with the Leftwing and intellectual credentials of Pinker says the Progressives are shutting down Free Speech, which they are, then you need to listen.

    Calling Trump a "fucking moron and a disgrace to the nation" serves no purpose whatsoever. What Trump has done so far has been within the law and little different from what previous POTUS have done in the past. You just reinforce what Pinker is saying.
    I'm not especially left wing, LJR. I think your tendency to lump everyone together that does not think Trump is a good president as "the Left" waters down any debate, as well.

    It's hardly hyperbole to state that the president of a nation that was built from the ground up by immigrants being against immigration is a disgrace to the fundamental values and heritage of that nation. It's an even more asinine mindset when you consider that the individual himself is only a third-generation immigrant and is himself married to an immigrant.

    Let's be blunt here, Trump means Africans when he's talking about shithole countries. And the Republican party that he represents has a cherished past liberating Americans of African descent. Again, he's demonstrating that he's the complete antithesis to the values of his party and his country.

    Going back your general point of left wing politics shutting down free speech, I'm not in anyway saying Trump can't say these things, I'm saying that he shouldn't . There's a huge difference. If he wants to then by all means he can go ahead, and I'll be free to continue calling him a moron and a bad president. Free speech works both ways.

    As for the bit about Trump's actions being within the law, I've nowhere stated that they have not been, and the quotes I posted above clearly demonstrate how Trump's rhetoric on immigration differs from his predecessor's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDRED View Post
    A border wall is being used as a bargaining chip in my opinion, read Trumps book and see how successful business people negotiate.
    Health System absolute shamble eh? Try to get minor surgery in UK as fast then. I have experienced both and the US system is far superior in several ways even if you have nowt.
    Student debt, sure there is but why don't more of these kids get a job and help pay their debt instead of sponging on their parents. Also, not be influence by peers to go to fancy expensive colleges, then come home filled with Liberal hate.
    Lead, well you are conveniently forgetting this was exposed in the Obama reign and his government did nothing.
    Yes the roads need work, again the Obama government did not cough up but then states are responsible for upkeep and for instance, the California Democratic government have spent millions on a train from nowhere/middle of the desert to SanFran, mainly to carry migrants to be sure and spent ridiculous money on many social programs instead of improving the infrastructure. By the way do you know anything about the incredible retirement pensions democratic city councils put in place for themselves that is crippling the budgets of cities?? check that one out.

    At the end of the day when we compare this administration with the previous a difference is that the media is reporting the glass as half empty and not half full as it was under Obama.

    Wise up and read both sides of the situation and you will see Trump is doing more things for working people than ever Obama did.

    We can argue all day but that is my humble opinion from over the pond where we can get two sides to the story more easily than you.
    You really need to go back and read some of my stuff because I give Barack Obama as much as shit as anyone else, but I will praise him when he deserves it. Like maybe when he bailed out the American car industry? Or perhaps when he increased overtime for millions of workers (or at least tried to)? There’s plenty to give shit Obama about, like increasing the drone strikes, escalating more wars, and bailing out Wall Street.

    And please. You really think that the US is better health care? For you, perhaps, but what about the millions that cannot afford health care at all? Or the estimated 30,000 people a year that die due to no access to basic medical care? Your health care system needs work. It is not available to everyone and is over-priced thanks to the lobbying of pharmaceuticals and the private health industry. Plus, let’s not forget the Commonwealth Fund, a U.S. organisation, ranks the US health care system dead last in a list of modern nations.

    And, well, Barack Obama set out $100 million for Flint, Michigan. Could he have done more? Yes, certainly, but that doesn't change the fact that the money for a wall could be spent on the rest of the country.

    As for the debt, yes it grew under Obama, but let’s not forget that he slash that deficit drastically from when Bush Jr was in office, and now Trump is now going to rebuild that deficit with his new tax plan. Then in the next sentence Paul Ryan says there’s a deficit crisis looming and they will have to look into funding to benefits to balance the books while having a bloated military budget, which again increased in 2017. Also, let’s not forget that the tax cuts for the rich are permanent while the ones for the middle class and poor have a sunset clause in them meaning they fade away in about 10 years.

    When all is said and done though SDRED, I really don’t give a crap about Barack Obama anymore. His term in office is done and dusted, and in the end his presidency was a mixed bag with some great stuff, some good stuff, some mediocre stuff, and also a lot of shit. What matters now is what Trump does going forward and apart from the scrapping of TPP (which may get slipped into NAFTA) I don’t see a whole lot of good in the policies that Trump has pushed for.

    Also, for the record I think that the Republicans are 100% bought out by big industry and the Democrats 95% bought out by them. You need a change over there in a massive way. You virtually have no left in America any more. You have the Republicans which are far right and the Democrats who are pretty much Centre-Right.

    Is that nuanced enough for you?


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    I'll tell you what it's funny as fuck listening to these posh newsreaders saying shitholes every few minutes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MariAndy!s View Post
    I'll tell you what it's funny as fuck listening to these posh newsreaders saying shitholes every few minutes
    Yes. It's the new Pussy Riot.

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    Yes nuanced enough thank you Mansfield Red, some fair comments and some I disagree on. I can to agree to differ. I see it that the Republicans and now centre right and the Democrats have been hijacked by the far left. We could go on all night but this is just my perspective coming from a very working class socialist background in Nottingham and then having lived here nearly 40 years. I respect your opinions however the majority of the media rarely give a centrist view when it comes to Trump. He is different for sure, a dickhead perhaps, but he is not your typical politician thank god. I would not underestimate him.

    OK FOREST, lets do it again tomorrow, You Reds


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    Quote Originally Posted by SDRED View Post
    Yes nuanced enough thank you Mansfield Red, some fair comments and some I disagree on. I can to agree to differ. I see it that the Republicans and now centre right and the Democrats have been hijacked by the far left. We could go on all night but this is just my perspective coming from a very working class socialist background in Nottingham and then having lived here nearly 40 years. I respect your opinions however the majority of the media rarely give a centrist view when it comes to Trump. He is different for sure, a dickhead perhaps, but he is not your typical politician thank god. I would not underestimate him.

    OK FOREST, lets do it again tomorrow, You Reds

    From my outside view and the stuff I watch, which is more online independent sources, the Democrats are obsessed with identity politics and not actual policies that might get them elected. The only care about the tone of what Trump is saying and not what he's actually saying.

    I think though in reality America needs a serious overhaul to the house and senate as you have a lot of old farts there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MansfieldRed View Post
    From my outside view and the stuff I watch, which is more online independent sources, the Democrats are obsessed with identity politics and not actual policies that might get them elected. The only care about the tone of what Trump is saying and not what he's actually saying.

    I think though in reality America needs a serious overhaul to the house and senate as you have a lot of old farts there.
    Now that is the truth on both counts I completely agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SDRED View Post
    Yes nuanced enough thank you Mansfield Red, some fair comments and some I disagree on. I can to agree to differ. I see it that the Republicans and now centre right and the Democrats have been hijacked by the far left. We could go on all night but this is just my perspective coming from a very working class socialist background in Nottingham and then having lived here nearly 40 years. I respect your opinions however the majority of the media rarely give a centrist view when it comes to Trump. He is different for sure, a dickhead perhaps, but he is not your typical politician thank god. I would not underestimate him.

    OK FOREST, lets do it again tomorrow, You Reds
    Excellent post. The problem as I have said before is that to be part of the contemporary Left's in-crowd (Progressives) you have to conform to a whole raft of approved ideas and causes. Every so often someone "mis-speak" and the mob pile onto them, with the MSM's encouragement.

    You only have to read some of the op-eds in the Guardian to see how racist, sexist and bigoted many of the Progressives have become. They say far worse than what you read in the Daily Mail, but because it is anti White heterosexual male they don't deem it offensive.

    Pinker is spot on with what he says.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MansfieldRed View Post
    From my outside view and the stuff I watch, which is more online independent sources, the Democrats are obsessed with identity politics and not actual policies that might get them elected. The only care about the tone of what Trump is saying and not what he's actually saying.

    I think though in reality America needs a serious overhaul to the house and senate as you have a lot of old farts there.
    They’ll eventually die and leave this country in a shit situation to my generation. Eventually.


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    In any case it's pretty obvious now why Putin wanted Trump in the office.

    Nobody could humiliate the USA better than him.

    USA has been for many years and with a lot of effort, the center of world policies. Both geostrategically and financially.
    Trump's efforts to isolate USA from his long term allies and friends by choosing a lonely way and by being against the rest of the world, constitutes a huge geopolitical change that serves many but the Americans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Excellent post. The problem as I have said before is that to be part of the contemporary Left's in-crowd (Progressives) you have to conform to a whole raft of approved ideas and causes. Every so often someone "mis-speak" and the mob pile onto them, with the MSM's encouragement.

    You only have to read some of the op-eds in the Guardian to see how racist, sexist and bigoted many of the Progressives have become. They say far worse than what you read in the Daily Mail, but because it is anti White heterosexual male they don't deem it offensive.

    Pinker is spot on with what he says.
    Do you have a problem with this?


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    There are indeed shithole countries around and it is not a racial matter.

    Even some Democrat aligned journalists and Late Night TV hosts are saying this Trump bashing needs to stop.

    Thank god this Wolff book came out because that showed the utter stupidity and garbage of all the concocted Trump attacks.
    Have you read the book?

    Because that's not what I'm getting from it at all. Even some republicans can see that he never thought he would get the job and as a result is massively ill equipped both in himself and his personnel. The guy is a massive joke. Hopefully that's how history will treat him as well and that he doesn't get a chance to do something truly horrific before his time is up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    LJR has nailed his flag so firmly to the Trump mast (presumably because Jerusalem), that he has to defend him no matter what he says or does, no matter how dumb, how racist, how misogynist, how untrue, how authoritarian, how much he attacks democratic norms and free speech. It's all fine, and the media should stop reporting on it, his Democrat sources say.

    It'll take Donald to get caught saying something anti-Semetic for LJR to drop him.
    Not even then.

    Trump loyalists are morally bankrupt and will be judged very harshly by history.

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