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    Default Re: The demise of Cocu the Clown‘s Direby County!

    Isn't playing for Derby punishment enough?

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    The community service will be playing football with the kiddies rather than picking up litter in the streets, smh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    They, along with others who do this should do time.
    Won't argue with that, we are a massive soft touch as a country. We need to be harsher in allot of areas, but it annoys me when people say that because they are footballers they got of easy when they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    Won't argue with that, we are a massive soft touch as a country. We need to be harsher in allot of areas, but it annoys me when people say that because they are footballers they got of easy when they didn't.

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    The truth is, and I'll don my hard hat, drivers get an easy ride with this shit. I've known a few and known of a lot of people killed by drivers who get lenient punishment. That American women should have just stayed, she'd have got a slap on the wrist anyway.

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    It's not only drivers

    I know a bloke who was looking at time realted to fraud, he was parts manager at a garage and they were flogging hookie chassies off to other garages for a decent profit was doing it for a while but somebody got caught and dobbed them all in. As boss of the place he was looking at serious time, but his solicitor said he couldn't go to Jail as his daughter was living with him. She was at the time but by this time it went to court she had moved back to her mums.

    He lost his job and has a crimial record now (it was in the 90's so prob prob dropped off now) but as he laid it on thick about his daughter he got let off prison


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    What’s the expected gain from crime vs the expected loss (probability of getting caught x punishment given you’re caught)?

    Seems that crime pays in this country.


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    Wonder if the club captain will be taking legal action against them ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by NFFC_Josh View Post
    Both players have been disqualified from driving for 2 years, given a 12-month community order each, ordered to carry out 180 hours of unpaid work and costs of £85 and £90 victim surcharge.
    £90 victim surcharge sounds about right for ending Keogh's career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardo7 View Post
    It's not only drivers

    I know a bloke who was looking at time realted to fraud, he was parts manager at a garage and they were flogging hookie chassies off to other garages for a decent profit was doing it for a while but somebody got caught and dobbed them all in. As boss of the place he was looking at serious time, but his solicitor said he couldn't go to Jail as his daughter was living with him. She was at the time but by this time it went to court she had moved back to her mums.

    He lost his job and has a crimial record now (it was in the 90's so prob prob dropped off now) but as he laid it on thick about his daughter he got let off prison
    There's a bloke down south who "threatened" a barman with a fake firearm which at the time was unknown to be fake because he was refused a prossecco his sentencing has been deferred because his family have a £1500 holiday booked...

    That just about sums us up as a country and judicial system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    There's a bloke down south who "threatened" a barman with a fake firearm which at the time was unknown to be fake because he was refused a prossecco his sentencing has been deferred because his family have a £1500 holiday booked...

    That just about sums us up as a country and judicial system.

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    And the maximum sentence is apparently 6 months!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    £90 victim surcharge sounds about right for ending Keogh's career.

    I’d appeal that part of the sentence to be honest. Seems draconian


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    I know nothing of the law and don’t really care what they get but I assumed that as they had badly injured someone and left them injured as they left the scene they would be sent down. Seems an aggravating factor. So is footage of them shit faced. Usually people argue they felt fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    Won't argue with that, we are a massive soft touch as a country. We need to be harsher in allot of areas, but it annoys me when people say that because they are footballers they got of easy when they didn't.

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    We have one of the harshest prison systems in the western world. And one of the highest rates of recidivism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    I know nothing of the law and don’t really care what they get but I assumed that as they had badly injured someone and left them injured as they left the scene they would be sent down. Seems an aggravating factor. So is footage of them shit faced. Usually people argue they felt fine.
    Never going to happen, people seem to think that driving offences get dealt with harshly when they don't. The CPS rarely even take a case to court of the offence is just leaving the scene of a collision.

    The victim surcharge goes into the victim fund for other incidents fyi it won't go to Keogh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    We have one of the harshest prison systems in the western world. And one of the highest rates of recidivism.

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    How do we? The sentences we give out are pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    How do we? The sentences we give out are pathetic.

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    http://research briefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7218

    If you download the full report and view it as a table, you'll see that the UK has equal to or longer sentences on average than the rest of the EU for most crimes. Drink driving isn't one of the crimes listed, but you get the idea. The USA and Australia are the main two examples I can think of that are demonstrably more draconian than the UK, and their rates of reoffending are correspondingly higher.

    The "we're a soft touch" and "lock 'em up and throw away the key" narratives so cherished by many in this country are complete bollocks peddled by a tabloid media fixated on cruel punishment over reforming for the better of society.

    As for conditions on the inside of prisons, I would recommend you watch some documentaries on prison life. There was a great one on recently, but I'm afraid I don't remember the name. The idea that prisoners all get five star meals and fifty-inch TVs in their cells is, again, a load of rubbish designed to exploit societies' fears of injustice.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    http://research briefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7218

    If you download the full report and view it as a table, you'll see that the UK has longer sentences on average than the rest of the EU for most crimes. Drink driving isn't one of the crimes listed, but you get the idea. The USA and Australia are the main two examples I can think of that are demonstrably more draconian than the UK, and their rates of reoffending are correspondingly higher.

    The "we're a soft touch" and "lock 'em up and throw away the key" narratives so cherished by many in this country are complete bollocks peddled by a tabloid media fixated on cruel punishment over reforming for the better of society.

    As for conditions on the inside of prisons, I would recommend you watch some documentaries on prison life. There was a great one on recently, but I'm afraid I don't remember the name. The idea that prisoners all get five star meals and fifty-inch TVs in their cells is, again, a load of rubbish designed to exploit societies' fears of injustice.




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    I think a lot of criminals can be re-educated and reformed, I know a few including an armed robber who has gone on to help countless charities, including helping in the Calais jungle.

    However, driving offences, especially drink driving and killing people with your car are way to soft, there's countless stories of 'people killing others and not doing time.


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    That link doesn't work, I don't buy the prisons are holidays etc we don't put enough into prisoners to prevent re-offending which is one of the reasons why people do reoffend.

    I also have allot of dealings with offenders and some have 100-200 arrests and barely spent any time in prison so being a soft touch doesn't help either, there are also calls for 6 month sentences to be abolished which would mean any petty theft/shoplifting is basically a free crime.

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    Harsh on everything except things related to alcohol? Sounds about right.


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    Didn't I read somewhere that the judge considered a prison term, but the players might have difficulties with their high profile so a custodial sentence was never going to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    Didn't I read somewhere that the judge considered a prison term, but the players might have difficulties with their high profile so a custodial sentence was never going to happen.
    Rape is clearly a more emotional offence, but one would also risk a Ched Evans type situation, where the club would no doubt have to terminate contracts on the basis of them going to jail, which would stigmatise their future career prospects having been in prison.

    Obviously Evans, Duncan Ferguson, and Marlon King (twice) but actually how many professional footballers have been jailed, and subsequently been able to resume a playing career at a similar level?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    However, driving offences, especially drink driving and killing people with your car are way to soft, there's countless stories of 'people killing others and not doing time.
    Not to wade in on the too soft debate, but I certainly think driving standards would improve if we adopted an Australian system for passing your test and retests for those for consistently break the Highway Code.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GandalfTheRed View Post
    Not to wade in on the too soft debate, but I certainly think driving standards would improve if we adopted an Australian system for passing your test and retests for those for consistently break the Highway Code.
    That definitely needs to happen. The only time we have to retest here is if you’re mad old.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas View Post
    That definitely needs to happen. The only time we have to retest here is if you’re mad old.
    It's not even a test in the states, though is it? What did you have to do to get your licence?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joao CarvAndy!ho View Post
    It's not even a test in the states, though is it? What did you have to do to get your licence?
    Back in 2016, when I looked in to it (as I was offered the option of going to the US) as best as I understood it, you had to be at least sixteen, be able to tell left from right and have the ability to shout „yeeeee-hhaaaa!“ in a loud voice.

    And I think that was it?

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