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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    The consensus here in Europe appears to be - at the moment, anyway - that if the U.K. government can offer a clear reason for requesting a further extension, then it is likely to be unanimously approved by the EU27.

    They want it sorted as much as the British do.
    Would "I know the UK government and yourselves have again agreed a deal, but we couldnt get this one through our parliament either, so can we have an extension to have another go?" count as a clear reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Would "I know the UK government and yourselves have again agreed a deal, but we couldnt get this one through our parliament either, so can we have an extension to have another go?" count as a clear reason?
    Jean-Claude Juncker has just spoken to the media, and suggested the EU will not grant any further extensions.

    So if that’s the case, the choice, is Johnson‘s Deal or No Deal, if the UK is still determined to leave.

    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Jean-Claude Juncker has just spoken to the media, and suggested the EU will not grant any further extensions.

    So if that’s the case, the choice, is Johnson‘s Deal or No Deal, if the UK is still determined to leave.

    Interesting.
    Something about Noel Edmonds.

    Last edited by Ravi; Yesterday at 14:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Actually - „scuse my French“ - Juncker said „why would you need a further extension when you have agreed a deal“.

    Subtle difference.

    The EU President could be the Kingmaker here; do the ditherers vote for a deal, or hold their nerve and vote it down - again.


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    EU would certainly grant an extension if it's justified.

    However, the bets are on now. Everything relies on the house of commons.

    One thing is certain. EU cannot be blamed anymore. They have another deal with another government. This is possible just because of one fact. EU uis based on compromises and negotiations. This is in the core of EU business. So, now the question is whether or not parliament can do the same.

    Interesting days


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    The EU will "stop the clock" only for the UK to have a general election, second referendum, and or revoke article 50. It will take the EU nations at least until the 24th oct to go through and ratify this "final" agreement.


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    There'll be no 2cnd ref. I don't think any dare.

    Yud see unparalelled anarchy ever seen in this country imo.


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    I'd fucking love a civil war. Once we (the great unwashed) had tired of fighting each other we'd surely turn our attention to those that are the real focus of our anger. The bastards need to realise that Mayfair and St George's Hill (Surrey) are not a defensible positions.


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    Tweet of the day.



    BTW, that "kraut" tweet from Leave EU...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post


    Also, now I've digested both my late lunch and the story, that Leave.EU tweet looks designed to win an extension, not prevent it. It would mean in an ensuing election that happens post-Oct31 under an extension would suit the Brexit Party.

    They don't want to leave and let the Tories sweep up the vote and then negotiate the actual deal from a majority position.


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    I think Juncker is telling porkies that the EU wouldn't extend if it doesn't get through Parliament.

    It's in the EU's commercial interest to do so, and also reputational interest to do so as well. Trying to force the hand by saying accept or get fucked makes it feel as though the deal negotiated is much for favourable to the EU than previously negotiated deals were and as such they'll try and have it forced through based on fear of the alternative.

    But if the UK were to reject it in Parliament and ask the EU to remain as a constructive member of the EU whilst it plans next steps, they'd be mad to reject it. There would be nothing in that instance stopping the Government from revoking article 50 and then vetoing absolutely everything until the EU played ball again and the process was restarted, if Boris had the balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I think Juncker is telling porkies that the EU wouldn't extend if it doesn't get through Parliament.

    It's in the EU's commercial interest to do so, and also reputational interest to do so as well. Trying to force the hand by saying accept or get fucked makes it feel as though the deal negotiated is much for favourable to the EU than previously negotiated deals were and as such they'll try and have it forced through based on fear of the alternative.

    But if the UK were to reject it in Parliament and ask the EU to remain as a constructive member of the EU whilst it plans next steps, they'd be mad to reject it. There would be nothing in that instance stopping the Government from revoking article 50 and then vetoing absolutely everything until the EU played ball again and the process was restarted, if Boris had the balls.
    Unfortunately for Boris, the ERG has one of his balls and Farage has the other one.


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    Default Re: The Big BREXIT discussion!

    And it looks like Juncker has the third one ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    And it looks like Juncker has the third one ...
    Nah, Juncker's got his thumb up his arse.


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    Looks like the ERG are going to back Boris.


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    https://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog...-an-explainer/

    I struggled to understand what the backstop is and now I have to figure out frontstop?

    I give up; just let me know when it is all over.


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    [QUOTE=Strummer;3076270]Unfortunately for Boris, the ERG has one of his balls and Farage has the other one.[/QUOTE
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I think Juncker is telling porkies that the EU wouldn't extend if it doesn't get through Parliament.

    It's in the EU's commercial interest to do so, and also reputational interest to do so as well. Trying to force the hand by saying accept or get fucked makes it feel as though the deal negotiated is much for favourable to the EU than previously negotiated deals were and as such they'll try and have it forced through based on fear of the alternative.

    But if the UK were to reject it in Parliament and ask the EU to remain as a constructive member of the EU whilst it plans next steps, they'd be mad to reject it. There would be nothing in that instance stopping the Government from revoking article 50 and then vetoing absolutely everything until the EU played ball again and the process was restarted, if Boris had the balls.
    Of course is favourable to the EU. Basically the backstop was the alternative to the initial EU's proposal which was the one adopted by Boris now. With the addition of consent which doesn't make much difference I think in they it is put. It's the same proposal that May has rejected furiously in the past and i think she was right on this.
    Actually Boris didn't invent something new. He took one of EU's proposals that he was certain they will not just accept but welcome


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    I prefer Rexbrit

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    I voted releave but I hope we lemain


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I struggled to understand what the backstop is and now I have to figure out frontstop?
    For all intents and purposes the backstop has been replaced with the concept of simply keeping Northern Ireland as a defacto member of the European Union.

    It's mad that Boris got so wound up about Northern Ireland being at the whim of the EU in terms of the backstop and instead is now enacting that permanent backstop from day one.

    He's so desperate to get a deal on the table that he's negotiated a weaker deal to get something to take back to Parliament. It's a farce.

    Last edited by MaxiRobriguez; Yesterday at 22:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    There'll be no 2cnd ref. I don't think any dare.

    Yud see unparalelled anarchy ever seen in this country imo.
    Wot... Anarchy in the UK?
    Coming some day...


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