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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    What are they classing as being a pensioner, the Spanish 65 or the now UK 66?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest65 View Post
    Depends which day it is and who you see, some of them see it as sport to bounce you around the different offices,
    Same as here then.

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    Bloody foreigners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    George Monbiot has another excellent piece in today’s Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other
    Generally agree with the systemic issues outlined in this article but the main point raised - the problem with neo-liberal policies, could be used as an argument for leaving the EU.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Generally agree with the systemic issues outlined in this article but the main point raised - the problem with neo-liberal policies, could be used as an argument for leaving the EU.
    It could, but the preeminent power in the EU (you know who...) is steadfast in refusing much of the neoliberal agenda, what with it having Works Councils to ensure worker-representatives at high levels in business, and having an economy and working practices that are, quite frankly, biased much more towards employee welfare, than toward shareholders.

    France is also coming along to this view, given the recent „Yellow Vest“ protests.

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    Although not as pronounced as the US and the UK, the trend towards capital capturing higher proportions of national wealth, and the pressure this puts on wages are the same in Germany.


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    however, there is a pattern where the most anti-EU politicians and parties are also the most anti-democratic politicians and parties. And i am talking about politicians and not voters now.

    is that a coincidence? is it a coincidence that the most anti-democratic and populist parties are also the most against EU?

    the more undemocratic and populist the more anti-EU they are. there is no extreme right or left party or populist party that is pro EU. is that a coincidence or a pattern to be acknowledged?

    ps. again, i am not talking about the voters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosmerino View Post
    Do you feel any better pal? Was worried I'd be knackered but if anything it's gone the other way.
    The health issues are chronic, so physically it's hard to say because I'm in a constant battle with body-wide pain. Fatigue & suchlike go with the disease, so again it's a tough call.

    Main reasons I'm doing it is because 1) my body can't process toxins very well, so none-GMO veggies are the least toxic we get, 2) they're the best thing my digestive system can handle. 3) Meat & dairy are inflamitory foods, and interupt the body's healing process, so when you've a cronic illness each time you have them you essentially put a break in any potential healing.

    From what my nutritionist/Functional Doc says, a healthy person would do well to go vegan for a couple of months a year, then add healthy fish occsionally to top up omega 3's & have a protien boost. At the mo I get the omega 3's from oils & chia seeds though, so no massive miss.


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    Totally off topic, but I have been saying to the girlfriend for a while now we should try to have a veggie meal once or twice a week, I think it would do us good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Generally agree with the systemic issues outlined in this article but the main point raised - the problem with neo-liberal policies, could be used as an argument for leaving the EU.
    I agree with you here.

    The left has been making a mistake for two decades with its preoccupations over neoliberalism.

    Brexit is an issue that stems from a conflict within Capitalism itself about Capital allocation strategies.

    This nominally falls out between Global Liberalism and National Conservatism. The former, which the EU is part of, considers capital allocations ratios are best skewed toward market expansion, e.g. incorporating as many people into the global market place for goods and service as is possible.

    For National Conservatives this has a downside, as more Capital is allocated to global expansion it removes it fron national markets - it's a zero sum game and you can only allocate it once (until the value is returned)

    Trump is a perfect microcosm of this. Increasingly in the last two decades to grow his property development empire he increasingly had to raise capital from overseas., e.g. Russia, Qatar and Suadi Arabia.

    To reduce this to simple problematic, how is that A NY based property empire that is HQd a stones throw from Wall St has to seek capital from the other side of the globe?

    Brexit is the boil of this conflict in the UK.

    As the conflict developed - between what we now call Global Liberalism and National Conservatism - the economic issues (the tractor) became articulated to political issues (the trailer), which is a payload of issues about jobs, migration, diversity, etc as a way of building alliances to win power for a type of Capitalism.

    Neoliberalism, a philosophical strategy making the market the determining factor of decision making, is applicable for both sides of this conflict.

    The left makes a grave error in this confusion (pun inteneded).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandalfTheRed View Post
    Totally off topic, but I have been saying to the girlfriend for a while now we should try to have a veggie meal once or twice a week, I think it would do us good.
    Having a none-dairy, none-meat based day gives your body way less work to do, and thus way more time to do it's other jobs.

    Balance is key, but your body will age way slower if you have an odd veggie day or two a week so it can catch up with it's other tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    I agree with you here.

    The left has been making a mistake for two decades with its preoccupations over neoliberalism.

    Brexit is an issue that stems from a conflict within Capitalism itself about Capital allocation strategies.

    This nominally falls out between Global Liberalism and National Conservatism. The former, which the EU is part of, considers capital allocations ratios are best skewed toward market expansion, e.g. incorporating as many people into the global market place for goods and service as is possible.

    For National Conservatives this has a downside, as more Capital is allocated to global expansion it removes it fron national markets - it's a zero sum game and you can only allocate it once (until the value is returned)

    Trump is a perfect microcosm of this. Increasingly in the last two decades to grow his property development empire he increasingly had to raise capital from overseas., e.g. Russia, Qatar and Suadi Arabia.

    To reduce this to simple problematic, how is that A NY based property empire that is HQd a stones throw from Wall St has to seek capital from the other side of the globe?

    Brexit is the boil of this conflict in the UK.

    As the conflict developed - between what we now call Global Liberalism and National Conservatism - the economic issues (the tractor) became articulated to political issues (the trailer), which is a payload of issues about jobs, migration, diversity, etc as a way of building alliances to win power for a type of Capitalism.

    Neoliberalism, a philosophical strategy making the market the determining factor of decision making, is applicable for both sides of this conflict.

    The left makes a grave error in this confusion (pun inteneded).
    The post-Brexit conundrum; capital will always seek the highest rate of return. So how does the UK create an environment where capital can achieve a comparable level of return in a free market i.e. without Govt. introducing policies that force inward investment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandalfTheRed View Post
    Totally off topic, but I have been saying to the girlfriend for a while now we should try to have a veggie meal once or twice a week, I think it would do us good.
    We're slowly reducing meat intake in this way. We just increasingly have veggie meals but not ready to make the leap yet.

    Out of 21 meals, we're bordering on 6-7 per week featuring meat of some kind.

    Like Alf, I grow a lot of beans (borlotti, white kidney and tempico) and these are a good source of alternative protein in chillis, bolognese-style sauces and soups.

    A big concern that stops us going full on is Iron for our daughters. You can't really replace heamo-iron with vegetable iron, and we're a bit relucatant to swap one industrial process for another with supplements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    We're slowly reducing meat intake in this way. We just increasingly have veggie meals but not ready to make the leap yet.

    Out of 21 meals, we're bordering on 6-7 per week featuring meat of some kind.

    Like Alf, I grow a lot of beans (borlotti, white kidney and tempico) and these are a good source of alternative protein in chillis, bolognese-style sauces and soups.

    A big concern that stops us going full on is Iron for our daughters. You can't really replace heamo-iron with vegetable iron, and we're a bit relucatant to swap one industrial process for another with supplements.
    Our lass is similar. You do the citrus addition to help with absorption mate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    The post-Brexit conundrum; capital will always seek the highest rate of return. So how does the UK create an environment where capital can achieve a comparable level of return in a free market i.e. without Govt. introducing policies that force inward investment?

    I
    The general view is to lower corporation and financial taxes to near zero - essentially making the UK a tax haven and attractive to global capital flight (yes, you saw the contradiction exposed).

    The consequence of this is that the government would have fewer treasury revenues and therefore would have to reduce services.

    Because national conservatives have a fiscal sociology about moving the reliance from the state to private provision (Health Insurance vs NHS, for example) their view is that consumers make better choices that service users (ha ha) it will all be OK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Our lass is similar. You do the citrus addition to help with absorption mate?

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    Yes, we try to put a lot of vit-c fruits and veg into meals and as extras to help with break down of the greens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    The general view is to lower corporation and financial taxes to near zero - essentially making the UK a tax haven and attractive to global capital flight (yes, you saw the contradiction exposed).

    The consequence of this is that the government would have fewer treasury revenues and therefore would have to reduce services.

    Because national conservatives have a fiscal sociology about moving the reliance from the state to private provision (Health Insurance vs NHS, for example) their view is that consumers make better choices that service users (ha ha) it will all be OK.
    They could also relax employment laws to provide greater freedoms to control wages. Maybe balance this with low inflation to soften the blow and increased competition to ensure prices and margins are squeezed. Thus, compounding the first point. What impact on debt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    The health issues are chronic, so physically it's hard to say because I'm in a constant battle with body-wide pain. Fatigue & suchlike go with the disease, so again it's a tough call.

    Main reasons I'm doing it is because 1) my body can't process toxins very well, so none-GMO veggies are the least toxic we get, 2) they're the best thing my digestive system can handle. 3) Meat & dairy are inflamitory foods, and interupt the body's healing process, so when you've a cronic illness each time you have them you essentially put a break in any potential healing.

    From what my nutritionist/Functional Doc says, a healthy person would do well to go vegan for a couple of months a year, then add healthy fish occsionally to top up omega 3's & have a protien boost. At the mo I get the omega 3's from oils & chia seeds though, so no massive miss.
    I respect your right to make your own choices, and I know your health issues have led you down this path but there’s a lot of woo in this post. What ‘toxins’ are in GMO veggies exactly? And Meat and dairy interrupt the healing process? I’m not sure your nutritionist is really a doctor of anything.

    Oh FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    They could also relax employment laws to provide greater freedoms to control wages. Maybe balance this with low inflation to soften the blow and increased competition to ensure prices and margins are squeezed. Thus, compounding the first point. What impact on debt?
    Yes, employment and similar regulation is part of the fiscal sociology... I could have expanded but was trying to stay brief.

    Debt is a zero-sum game too - all debt must be held either by the government sector or private sector (inc households).

    Although the aim everywhere is to have no debt, in reality, Capitalism can only proceed by some kind of debt. For example, Venture Capital that is invested in companies is usually a debt of the venture capital fund to a pension fund and so on. It has to be borrowed from somewhere because the rate of return is never higher enough to meet expansion rates.

    In the moneterist theory debt should be driven from the government sector, but in the complexities of the real world monetarist politicians can only win power by building up debt to pay for promises. (see Trump's record breaking Debt:GDP ratio, and last week's CSR in teh UK which will expand money into some sectors)

    In Signapore, for example, which runs the type of casino economy the ERG would like to see in the UK, their Debt-GDP is about 106%, compare to UK's 90%. The UK gov expenditure about 44% of GDP, in Singapore its about 20%

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    Maybe I've bought into the myth of Cummings, but even this latest court ruling in Scotland feels like something the Govt. would have planned for and will fit neatly into their broader narrative/strategy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Maybe I've bought into the myth of Cummings, but even this latest court ruling in Scotland feels like something the Govt. would have planned for and will fit neatly into their broader narrative/strategy.
    Just be glad we managed to get him off our books


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonalair View Post
    I respect your right to make your own choices, and I know your health issues have led you down this path but there’s a lot of woo in this post. What ‘toxins’ are in GMO veggies exactly? And Meat and dairy interrupt the healing process? I’m not sure your nutritionist is really a doctor of anything.
    Eldest stepson has been a chef for years and over the last few he's done a few qualifications to be a personal trainer. Doing this he got really interested in different foods.
    He has recently been accepted at Leeds University to do a degree in sports nutrition. Some of the food articles he sends us are frightening. Veggie and meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Maybe I've bought into the myth of Cummings, but even this latest court ruling in Scotland feels like something the Govt. would have planned for and will fit neatly into their broader narrative/strategy.
    The Scottish Judges‘ view is diametrically opposed to their English counterparts; an argument that - apparently - will be resolved by appeals next week.

    It could indeed be that Cummings is playing some sort of Machiavellian masterpiece here, as you say, but the potential downside - if, for example, the Prime Minister is found to have basically lied to HM The Queen, he could be forced from office and potentially be sent to prison for contempt of Parliament - then Cummings is playing with the very highest of stakes?

    If the Government loses next week (for what it’s worth - I don’t think they will) then the frankly hilarious prospect of Boris Johnson being (yet again) forced from high office in disgrace will surely be a blow from which not even he can recover?

    Anyway, it’s better than a soap opera, this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    The health issues are chronic, so physically it's hard to say because I'm in a constant battle with body-wide pain. Fatigue & suchlike go with the disease, so again it's a tough call.

    Main reasons I'm doing it is because 1) my body can't process toxins very well, so none-GMO veggies are the least toxic we get, 2) they're the best thing my digestive system can handle. 3) Meat & dairy are inflamitory foods, and interupt the body's healing process, so when you've a cronic illness each time you have them you essentially put a break in any potential healing.

    From what my nutritionist/Functional Doc says, a healthy person would do well to go vegan for a couple of months a year, then add healthy fish occsionally to top up omega 3's & have a protien boost. At the mo I get the omega 3's from oils & chia seeds though, so no massive miss.
    You should get some of those healing Crystals too, align your shakra's and feng shui your house.

    I am of course taking the piss, it's all a bit pseudoscience for me but if you're feeling the benefit then crack on, placebo's are great.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    The Scottish Judges‘ view is diametrically opposed to their English counterparts; an argument that - apparently - will be resolved by appeals next week.

    It could indeed be that Cummings is playing some sort of Machiavellian masterpiece here, as you say, but the potential downside - if, for example, the Prime Minister is found to have basically lied to HM The Queen, he could be forced from office and potentially be sent to prison for contempt of Parliament - then Cummings is playing with the very highest of stakes?

    If the Government loses next week (for what it’s worth - I don’t think they will) then the frankly hilarious prospect of Boris Johnson being (yet again) forced from high office in disgrace will surely be a blow from which not even he can recover?

    Anyway, it’s better than a soap opera, this.
    I think Cummings, I see a man locked in a room surrounded by reams and reams of cause and effect diagrams where every possible scenario and outcome is mapped to understand where risk and benefit is minimised/maximised to achieved the end-game.


 

 

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