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    Thought I would start some debate.

    Positions 4, 8, 10

    What do we have to work with ?

    Vaughan (32)
    Lansbury (25)
    Reid (33)
    Tesche (28)
    Majewski (29)
    Paterson (24)
    Osborn (21)
    Grant (21)
    Crookes (18)

    1) How would each of us describe each midfield position ?

    2) Who from above would fit each position. In the case of being more flexible state your reason which player can play both positions.

    For example, from our own youth products I would say Crookes (4), Osborn (8), Grant (10). Although I think Osborn could play 10 as well.

    3) In an ideal world what would you do to the midfield ?

    4) Realistically what do we think will happen - ins-outs ?

    5) Can we replace Gardner ?

    6) What have our greatest midfield combinations (midfielders) been from the 60s onwards. What were their strengths & can Dougie get our current lot to display any of their strengths as a combination ?


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    Raddy, Vaughan and Tesche are crap or on their way out probably. Leaving us with only Lansbury, Osborn and Reid realistically, and we all know Reid is crocked/old now. We're screwed basically. Grant needs to step up next season

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    Missed out Cohen and maybe Mancienne


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    Wouldn't want to see Mance as a CM, we need him more at the back in place of Wilson.

    I'd like to see a match-fit Chris Cohen as the "number 4", and Ben Osborn as the "number 10".

    That leaves us the problematic number 8 - I'd give Robert Tesche a go there, if he's still with us next season (which may not be a given...)

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    I seem to say this every season but we need 2 players with engines and tackling capability of McKenna/Cohen/Gardner. Find me a successful team who doesn't have 2 players with great engines in midfield. Until we do this we'll continue underwhelming.

    We have a lot of fairly talented players but they all just seem to lack something to make them a complete package. In a 2 or 3 alongside the aforementioned Cohen type they will be ok but on their own, no. I remember a couple of seasons back we had the likes of McGugan and Majewski in the centre together along with Moussi, Greening and a can't be arsed Jara and it was possibly the worst midfield I've ever seen. You can't have 3 defensively weak players in one team like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman Van Rompuy View Post
    Missed out Cohen and maybe Mancienne
    Yeah, those who want to add those 2 in go for it.

    Suppose my bias in thinking Cohen must only be considered a left-back or nothing & Mancienne a centre-back covering right-back played a part.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Yeah, those who want to add those 2 in go for it.

    Suppose my bias in thinking Cohen must only be considered a left-back or nothing & Mancienne a centre-back covering right-back played a part.
    Oh, what we would give for eleven Chris Cohens.


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    Jumping straight to question 6!

    Archie Gemmill and John McGovern - anchor player who stayed fairly central in McGovern and was normally available to intercept balls and opponents coming through the middle but who also kept up with the play (not a Makelele) and played some probing passes as well as simple balls to the wingers and strikers; terrier like box to box player with skill and an eye for a pass alongside him.
    Osborn could do the Gemmill part in his own way maybe?

    Neil Webb and Steve Hodge - two central midfielders who would get forwards but also funnel back deep when Forest didn't have the ball. Hodge was a good runner, and could twist and turn well with his low centre of gravity, while Webb had vision and the ability to land a pass where he wanted. Both made great runs into the box, and Webb was slightly Lampard-esque in his peak with his goal totals.
    Osborn again for Hodge, and I suppose Lansbury could try a Webb-like role if on form while probably it wouldn't be ideal for Majewski even though he's I would think as quick or quicker than Webb and possibly with better stamina.

    David Phillips and Lars Bohinen - former winger Phillips took the sitting role but also blended in well with Forest's passing game, while Bohinen flitted from box to box and wing to wing with more of a free role to create and be incisive although used his stamina to get back and form a block of 4 midfielders too. Scot Gemmill played often alongside them before Bryan Roy was signed and was a second attacking central midfielder.
    Maybe Vaughan (or Tesche, even though I agreed in the other thread he doesn't really suit being an anchor player) could be Phillips and two from Reid, Majewski, Lansbury and Osborn could be the more attacking players?

    For at least two of those three, it was a case of having a second striker rather than a number 10. We haven't really got anyone to play that role, but as advanced number 10 I suppose Paterson and Majewski if they found their best form again, could each in their own way play the role (Paterson would be more like a forward and Majewski still more like a 3rd CM though I suppose).

    The diamond involving Williams, Scimeca etc under Hart was decent wasn't it....

    If Gardner somehow came back he'd be worth putting in any setup I should think although I'm not sure he really fits in a replica role for anyone. Maybe for the Keane/S.Gemmill partnership (was going to mention above too anyway) he could play box to box like Keane. He could take Phillips's general role since he did similar last season didn't he - but there is an age difference there and I guess in a two man midfield at least it'd be tempting to tell him to get forwards at times rather than just try the odd long/medium range shot.


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    Worried about our midfield next season to be honest. Dougie needs to get hold of it and get it functioning, will all be about the decision making.

    Grant is a must to be integrated, and could replace Lansbury. Osborn has to hopefully start 30+ games. Cohen and Reid need to contribute, and Cohen will probably have to become more efficient with his style, and remain more conserved.

    That's before we get to Majewski, who I think we should keep. He has a year left, is always fit. Let's make him work for another contract.

    Get the feeling Tesche may be gone, although I hope he stays. Reckon Vaughan will be off.

    Start the season with a midfield three of Reid, Cohen and Osborn. Has everything. Let Osborn do the running while Cohen breaks things up and Reid picks the passes. Have a back up of Grant, Majewski and a new hard-nut defensive midfielder or Vaughan.


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    Sell Lansbury, clone Osborn. Job done


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    Cohen, if fit, although I guess a good option at left-back, would take a box to box role or a slightly more reserved role (not as sole DM though?) in any setup I'd think.

    I wouldn't really consider Mancienne a midfielder but he'd obviously take the deepest role in midfield if he played there. Not really a David Phiilips though is he? More like a Des Lyttle in midfield I guess.


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    Default Re: Central midfield

    Lansbury, Tesche, Osborn for starters, Vaghan and Grant in reserve, get Reid and Cohen involved if possible.


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    The only time the midfield looked balanced this season was when Lansbury, Osborn and Gardner had a run together at the beginning of Freedman's reign.

    We need to try and replicate that. I'm was slightly surprised Tesche wasn't bought back for the last month, especially as Gardner got injured. As he does offer similar strengths, whereas Vaughan looks shot.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Paterson play more as well, perhaps in a more central role. He's not gonna replace Antonio (assuming he stays) on the left but has the attributes to be a good no.10. Decent touch, good in tight spaces and possibly the best finisher at the club.


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    Lansbury at DM: Perfect position for his languid style, he can break up play by making a tackle & whilst his distribution lacks imagination, his simple pass completion rate must be up there.

    Osborn CM: Always available to receive, travels well with ball at feet & a decent engine.

    Reid No.10: Economy of movement, experienced eye for a killer pass to bring in our natural goalscorers.


    At Center Parcs this weekend, saw Gary Rowett & he said he was going to move "heaven & earth" to land Tesche


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    Lansbury at DM: Perfect position for his languid style, he can well with ball at feet & a decent engine.
    One slight problem - Lansbury can't tackle very well. That's one reason he gets so many yellow cards.


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    I don't think DF would have kept Tesche if he could have avoided it but surely it makes sense to give him a chance in pre-season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    One slight problem - Lansbury can't tackle very well. That's one reason he gets so many yellow cards.
    Lansbury cant tackle well when he doesn't feel like it. A lot of his yellows are through petulance in the relative obscurity of our central midfield. He wouldn't be the first project to try & eradicate his issues by giving him a more hands on role in our midfield. Im not a fan personally, but he gets paid a shit load so we either use his strengths or get rid.


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    Lansbury is far too cowardly for a defensive midfielder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes' Organ View Post
    Lansbury is far too cowardly for a defensive midfielder.
    He thinks he's a lot tougher than he actually is.

    I don't think multiple yellow cards for petulant fouls mark him out as either a hard man or someone with an acceptable level of self-discipline for DMF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jumper View Post
    He thinks he's a lot tougher than he actually is.

    I don't think multiple yellow cards for petulant fouls mark him out as either a hard man or someone with an acceptable level of self-discipline for DMF.

    It's the sly kicks and cowardly leaving a foot in that get him plenty of bookings, along with his big flappy gob of course.


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    From what I saw of Grant against Tottenham , he has the same sort of problems as Paterson. Tries to dribble too much and gets dispossessed very easily and flirts in and out of games.

    As as right now , central midfield is going to be an issue.


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    3) If we lost Antonio I would abandon the policy of width & revert to a 4 man diamond midfield to accommodate 2 strikers.

    Lansbury
    Burke Osborn
    Reid

    The long term will provide us with quality up top in Walker & Assombalonga. Both will benefit from a partner & neither hold the ball up well. Good defensive options in Burke & Osborn and a more narrow approach looks after or susceptibility through the middle. The diamond was the last time we were decent to watch.


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    Build the side around Osborn. He's the only player in midfield with the ability, potential to improve, dedication and graft to make it far in the game.


    Do everything in the clubs power to get Gardner back, he was pivotal for us. Play Tesche if we can't get Gary, I rate him much more than Vaughan as a box to box midfielder. Majewski is done, Paterson might be too. Pray Reid might have a role next season. Promote the academy midfielders, hope for the best from Lansbury.


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    Can't see how we can count Crookes now, he's promising but still very young. Be interesting to see how Grant steps up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Oh, what we would give for eleven Chris Cohens.
    So that they could borrow spare parts off each other?


 

 

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