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    Thumbs up Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    For the following reasons I'm not expecting anything beyond a comfortable mid-table finish next season:

    • Recent managerial instability means that we don't have a well established way of playing like Ipswich, Bournemouth and Brentford
    • Many of our current key players have chronic fitness issues (Reid, Vaughan, Cohen, Assombalonga, Fryatt, Hobbes)
    • Several current key players are now past their physical peak, so are unlikely to play every game (Reid, Vaughan and Burke)
    • We may lose Antonio and Lansbury due to financial requirements and sustained interest from Premier League clubs
    • The embargo means that we will not be able to replace any of these players with established pros of the same quality, only loans and low wage freebies
    • It's also likely we'll have to rely on Acadamy players who will need time to adapt

    If Dougie signs he will have one of the toughest jobs in football, managing an inexperienced team in a ruthless and relentless league at a club with high expectations.

    But actually I'm quite excited. Maybe this situation is what Forest needs to finally establish a set-up that will in future years enable us to not only get to the Premier League, but stay there.

    I'll be happy if Dougie gets us to 15th place with Tyler, Baby Burke, Laing, Grant and Evtimov all establishing themselves as first teamers.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    We'll be ok... probably flirt with the play offs.


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    Perhaps could do with a Paul Hart 2001-2002 sort of season. We finished 16th. Some players on fat contracts who were achieving nothing moved on. A youth graduate won Player of the Year. Nobody panicked. And the following season the same manager almost won promotion with a side playing attractive football.

    Then we got much worse. But still.

    Any players that have been consistently disappointing under a succession of managers ought to go if the opportunity arises. A Forest manager's position becomes untenable within months. Some of our players are still here earning fat contracts after years. It can't be five consecutive managers fault for not getting the best out of them. At some stage three has to be a realisation that they aren't very good. If there really are bids coming in, we should be snapping hands off.

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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Nope.

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    Aiming for midtable hardly makes me want to go out and renew my season ticket


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Yes. Mid table yet again would be failure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thehockleyhustler View Post
    Aiming for midtable hardly makes me want to go out and renew my season ticket
    What if the club says that it is serious about promotion?


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    'We're realistic about mid-table, are you?'


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    I can't see any realistic reason to assume we'll be anything other than mid table next season.

    I have serious doubts however as to that being acceptable to Fawaz, so if nothing else it will be interesting to see what he does...


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Does not matter where we finish, as a proportion of the fan base will still believe it was not high enough unless we win the league (and then we should have won it by more points)

    We often get people saying mid table is fine whilst we consolidate, and then throw their toys out of the pram once we lose a couple of games on the trot.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Our squad isn't good enough for the play-offs. We'll throw some money at some loans, they'll be equally average before leaving at Christmas to be replaced by some more. Our youth prospects will become disenchanted from this or will be sold to PL C teams. And on we go.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    1 bad injury does not = "Chronic fitness issues" and no, we shouldnt "expect" promotion next year, what I want to see us do next season is:

    - hang on to our top players
    - clear some of the guff ( like Abdoun, Mackie, Raddy, Halford and any other out of contract players that Dougie doesnt want/need )
    - continue to integrate the youth talent in our academy into the first team, the likes of Burke, Walker and Evtimov could all see significant playing time next season
    - use the loan market well, it would be awesome if we could get Gardner on loan for another season
    - find a couple of free agent gems, we need a couple of bodies at least in defence
    - give the manager a chance with realistic expectations

    If we can do those things, that should reduce the losses we are making by a fair amount ( along with the fact we wont have spent a bean in terms of transfer fees! ) and give us a decent chance of getting the embargo removed in time for the 2016/17 season.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    I think we'll probably finish around the same position as this season. 7th to 9th. And I think that's about as good as we are right now.

    I'll re-address this topic at the beginning of August though as it's more realistic to gauge our expectation levels based on our manager, Fawaz and how our squad is beginning to look over the pre-season period.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Brentford proved yesterday it is possible to fashion a decent attacking side out of lesser known players. The key to our success doesnt lie with the ability of the sqaud, it lies with Dougies ability to get a decent tune out of it. We are there or there abouts with this, as soon as we realise that names like Lansbury are potentially holding us back, the sooner we can function more as an attacking unit. No reason not to be optimistic about our chances next season.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    It's the Championship; If we expect anything more than playing football in the Championship. I think it is realistic to hope for a top 6 finish, depending what happens with players in/out.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    I think we're set for probably more of the same, finishing somewhere round where we are again but that shouldn't be seen as failure, if anything it should be seen as success as we go through this necessary process of bringing through the youth and taking a more frugal approach going forward. It may take a few seasons for us to challenge again but we have to accept that.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    All I expect is for the manager to set up the team to the best of his abilities and for the players to give their all for the garibaldi.

    If we finish in the top 6, much the better.


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    Should we expect mid table next season? Well as Forest fans, most of us would pretty much expect a team of 11 plastic bags to top the division, after all they would be Nottingham Forest plastic bags.

    The reality though, as we have seen, is that the gods don't like us and given FFP we could easily end up there.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    I think there's a 30/70 chance we could drop into the Third Division. Honest.

    Mid-table is the best we can hope for, and I do meant the very best.


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    I think there's a 30/70 chance we could drop into the Third Division. Honest.

    Mid-table is the best we can hope for, and I do meant the very best.
    This is my worry too


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    I think we're guaranteed to finish outside of the top third, but success will be defined not by where we finish, but how we get ourselves there.

    If we hang on to the superstars in the mistaken belief that we have a "top 6 squad", another 9th place finish will be as frustrating as it is disappointing. If we acknowledge the brutal reality of our situation and attempt to start again with a team built around the likes of Osborn, Paterson, Walker, Burke, Grant, Riera, Laing, Evtimov, even big Lars, complemented by a selection of positive role models such as Reid, Hobbs, Mancienne, Cohen, Lansbury, etc. then anything from 21st up will represent a real step in the right direction.

    As a club, we've pretty much written the manual on how not to get promoted over the last two decades. Time for a new approach.

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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Tough to aim higher when Dougie is sacked in December, Jack Lester looks after the team in a disastrous caretaker spell, before Malkay Mackay comes in to steady the ship.




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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tutts View Post
    Jack Lester looks after the team in a disastrous caretaker spell
    We should never have let him go...


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    Default Re: Should we expect more than mid-table next season?

    Surely if Freedman is a better manager than Pearce we should expect better than 9th really, admittedly we will probably lose Antonio. Next season could be ugly in all honesty.

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    We just need to be realistic and tolerant. There's no reason we can't get promoted, but expecting it and lynching the manager if we don't is self defeating at this stage.

    Anything above 15th is acceptable for me. Anything below that raises questions, but even then it depends on circumstances.

    My hope is that when we do have a good run, folk don't see it as a given and the turn on the manager when we have a bad one.


 

 

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