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    Think we need to be realistic here. Money doesn't buy success so it is time to face what we have to deal with and do a Burnley or a Blackpool. No point saying a player like Paterson must f**k off because there is talent in there that can be polished with a bit of confidence. But on the other hand we can't have these massive squads with senior players not getting on the bench regularly.

    Then there is the players other clubs might want from us. At best Antonio & Lansbury. Suppose Paterson has been getting interest for a while too.

    They probably also got to decide how much development or adapting Veldwijk still requires. Don't care what anyone says but 17, 18, 19 year olds being preferred with hardly any senior football is a huge question mark. I suppose you've got to ask why did we sign him in the first place, if the club didn't keep sacking and hiring the plans for the football club would have been oh yes we have young Burke and young Walker developing etc

    Pre-season is huge. Freedman needs to mold a talented, energetic but a clever squad. He has spoken about a mix of seasoned champ players, lower league players and academy products. About time isn't it. Getting a good balance. Reckon he needs to take the whole u21 squad with the seniors and play lots of matches and mix the squads. See who sinks or swims and then work with them and see what each young player needs to work on etc.

    Leon Hunter comes in and if he knows a talented lower league out of contract perfect but I think it is great for Freedman to get a person like him to bounce ideas off though in his area of expertise in a market that won't be easy for Freedman.

    So what we have here is 7 loan players returning to Forest & 5 loan players leaving. Lets be honest, the majority of the 7 that were out on loan were because their careers at Forest were dwindling, Pearce/Freedman thought were surplus and helped save us same cash because they weren't going to get into matchday squads regularly.

    Danny Collins is too old to get a 2 year-deal and he will want it. I'm also thinking cut-backs and he is probably one who came down from a Prem team when he joined us.



    GOALKEEPERS

    Dorus DE VRIES (35) - 2017
    Dimitar EVTIMOV (22) - 2017

    u21s: Jordan SMITH (21) - 2015, Ross DURRANT (20) - 2015, Tim ERLANDSSON (19) - 2015

    FULL-BACKS

    Eric LICHAJ (27) - 2017
    Chris COHEN (28 ) - 2016
    Michael MANCIENNE (27) - 2017
    Danny FOX (29) - 2017

    u21s: Jack KELLY (LB) (19) - 2015, Ilias POLIMOS (RB) (20) - 2015
    u18s: Jordan GABRIEL (RB) (17) - 2018

    CENTRE-BACKS

    Jack HOBBS (27) - 2018
    Kelvin WILSON (30) - 2016
    Louis LAING (22) - 2016 [imagine extra option taken up]
    *Mancienne

    u21s: Joe WORRALL (18 ) - 2015, Roger RIERA (20) - 2016(17)
    u18s: Alex IACOVITTI (18 )- 2016 , Frederik NIELSEN (17) - 2017


    CENTRE-MIDS

    Andy REID (33) - 2016
    Henri LANSBURY (25) - 2017
    Ben OSBORN (21) - 2017
    David VAUGHAN (32) - 2016
    Robert TESCHE (28 ) - 2016
    Radoslaw MAJEWSKI (29) - 2016
    *Cohen

    u21s: Jack BLAKE (21) - 2015, Jorge GRANT 2017(18 ), Matt CASH (18 ) - PRO
    U18s: Adam CROOKES (18 ) - 2016, Ryan YATES (18 ) - 2016, Tom GAMBLEN (17) - 2016


    WIDE-FORWARDS

    Michail ANTONIO (25) - 2017
    Chris BURKE (32) - 2016
    Jamie PATERSON (24) - 2018
    Stephen MCLAUGHLIN (25) - 2016
    Jamie MACKIE (30) - 2016
    Djamel ABDOUN (29) - 2016

    U21s: Oliver BURKE (18 ) - PRO
    U18s: Kieran HAYES (16) - 2017

    CENTR-FORWARDS

    Britt ASSOMBALONGA (23) - 2019
    Matt FRYATT (29) - 2017
    Dexter BLACKSTOCK (29) - 2017
    Lars VELDWIJK (24) - 2017

    U21s: Tyler WALKER (19) - PRO, Nikolay TODOROV (19) - 2017, Kasheme WALTON (19) 2015
    U18s: Gerry MCDONAGH (17) - 2016


    We've been linked with Ben AMOS as a keeper & Matt Mills as a centre-back. I suppose we could look to get some of the 5 loan players back ?

    Probably going to be some balancing act but I just hope Dougie, Lennie & Leon can build a squad that can think for themselves and continually want to get up when knocked back down sort of attitude because in this league you will face tough times. Big summer ahead but when is it never at Forest ?

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    In truth that's a good squad to start with.

    The key as ever will be keeping those players match fit for as long as possible.

    Blackpool proved you can get promoted with a hard working team bereft of genuine "stars" but it will depend on how the manager can forge them together as a unit.

    It will be interesting, that is for sure.

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    The squad is good enough to challenge, given our embargo I would happily take Mackie back.

    Our success next season, as has been defined by the last two years is simple. Keep the core of the side FIT. Hobbs, Reid, Cohen and Fryatt need to be fit and firing. If as I fear, Reid and Cohen are done and Hobbs and Fryatt are at best half a season we'll do well to finish mid table


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    In truth that's a good squad to start with.

    The key as ever will be keeping those players match fit for as long as possible.

    Blackpool proved you can get promoted with a hard working team bereft of genuine "stars" but it will depend on how the manager can forge them together as a unit.

    It will be interesting, that is for sure.
    Spot on. No Assombalonga already. Reid, Cohen, Hobbs,Fryatt, Dex with injury issues.

    I like Dougies thinking that Mancienne can cover a number of positions and says he doesn't need another RB because he has Lichaj and Mancienne which is spot on. Crazy to have 8,9,10 senior defenders in a squad like Davies liked as the majority wouldn't be involved. Been crying out for this for years. It allows our young centre-backs to fight for a spot and even Kelly for left-back if Lichaj shifts back to RB etc


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    I'll just put this in here. Colin Slater said on the match commentary today that he had heard that the club were trying to get Darlow back on a further years loan for next season.


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    The pressing issue for me lies in central midfield, it looks strong on paper, but its lack of ability to travel forward & beat a man together with its lack of creativity is limiting us to counter attacking out wide. No better case in point than today. Osborn & Lansbury are on top of the defensive midfielder. With their reluctance to move forward with ball at feet, Antonio & Burke so wide & Akpom isolated up top. Every pass is so long it becomes somewhat speculative. Nothing stuck today & Wolves picked up every second ball. We need a midfielder who can dictate play further up the pitch


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    I think the first thing we need to do when planning for next season is to reach some sort of consensus on which manager we want to start the season with.

    Then which one we want for the second half of the season...


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    The pressing issue for me lies in central midfield, it looks strong on paper, but its lack of ability to travel forward & beat a man together with its lack of creativity is limiting us to counter attacking out wide. No better case in point than today. Osborn & Lansbury are on top of the defensive midfielder. With their reluctance to move forward with ball at feet, Antonio & Burke so wide & Akpom isolated up top. Every pass is so long it becomes somewhat speculative. Nothing stuck today & Wolves picked up every second ball. We need a midfielder who can dictate play further up the pitch
    Yep. No Reid, no real creativity or control in the middle.


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    The midfield didn't move enough, didn't support each other and show for the ball at times today... exactly what it was like under Pearce, they do it for 20/30 mins and either don't score or let one in and their heads drop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by adam09 View Post
    The midfield didn't move enough, didn't support each other and show for the ball at times today... exactly what it was like under Pearce, they do it for 20/30 mins and either don't score or let one in and their heads drop.

    Agreed, we are as good a side in the league without the ball. What today proved beyond doubt is that with Antonio & Gardner off their respective games, we lack ideas going forward.


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    We don't plan.


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    i wonder what he's going to do with abdoun and the other loaned out people, if he is going to give them a chance in the pre season or not.


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    As Dougie said the template now is an Ipswich or a brentford next season, no more spend spend spend, get the best out of what we've got and be cute with freebies and loans and you can be just as competitive


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    Quote Originally Posted by dogtits View Post
    i wonder what he's going to do with abdoun and the other loaned out people, if he is going to give them a chance in the pre season or not.
    I'd suggest his comments in the Post about not wanting players that don't want to be here gone would put that issue to bed.

    Majewski and Mackie might still be able to play a part but Paterson and Veldwijk for me haven't done anything all season. Both ages where you cannot use the 'young player' excuse for their performances. Antonio's sale which I'd say is likely would probably lead to us keeping Mackie, because for someone on those wages you'd better use him a lot. He's a runner and in a counter attacking team, he's a potential asset out wide.


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    Let's end the culture of loaning in kids who aren't even as good as our kids and thinking they might do the business for us.


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    When we had John Terry and Ian Wright on loan they both did a job for us.
    Now we get Chalooboah and Akbum and Wheelbarrow and it is a complete waste of time.


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    I don't think much really needs to be added to that team to see out the embargo and possibly have a competitive season. Not much depth at GK or CB but how else will we know if the likes of Evtimov, Laing or Riera can step up like Darlow and Lascelles did? I reckon Mancienne can do a job in midfield, as can Tesche, so losing Gardener isn't the end of the world. Hopefully we'll get as much as we can out of our biscuits, I'm sure they all have some part to play.

    I don't think we'll have to ship many out. Obviously Abdoun with maybes for McLaughlin, Majewski and Mackie. Losing Antonio or Lansbury would likely be detrimental, without being offered silly money I doubt we'd get better in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anatoli View Post
    Now we get Chalooboah and Akbum and Wheelbarrow and it is a complete waste of time.
    As clever as you've been with the names there I think you might be judging a little too quickly players who have only started once for us.


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    Realistically I don't see how we're going to get out of an embargo any time soon without selling at least one of Lansbury or Antonio for a massive fee this summer.

    Our wage bill is far too high and I don't think there's anyone in the squad who I wouldn't sell if someone wanted them. I'd keep Collins for another year, he's not going to command much in terms of wages anymore, might as well be with us especially given we don't have masses of defenders and you're lucky if you get half a season out of Wilson or Hobbs.

    Hopefully Reading's cup run means they've got the money to buy Mackie off us.


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    A half decent bid for Lansbury should be snapped up. His Jeckle and Hyde character is no use to any manager. His "losses of form" are as bad as having another biscuit


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    Still dont know what he was doing yesterday with that tackle. He was never gonna win the ball.


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    Players who have seen off four or five managers already without being consistently very good aren't great to have around. Players who are consistently injured aren't either. Who does that leave us? Antonio, Osborn, Mancienne.... Assombalonga?


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    can anyone tell us what our wage bill currently is?


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    Classy ! I don't know why but I don't get the impression Dougie is all talk. He seems sensible but yet brave and to be successful in the LT you may need to face up ST and he seems that type. He is brave, young, open-minded. What we've cried out for, for quite some time ?

    Dougie Freedman's future as Nottingham Forest manager could be secured tomorrow, with the Scotsman set to enter into contract talks with chairman Fawaz Al Hasawi.

    The two men have now agreed a plan for the future – with Freedman keen to do things the "Forest way" next season, by giving young players their opportunity, alongside a few wise additions.

    Freedman – who could yet be offered a slightly longer term contract, rather than just his one-year extension that was previously discussed – has warned he will not pay any player more than he feels they are worth, as he looks to bring an end to the spending culture at the City Ground.

    And, more importantly, he believes Forest can be competitive next season, if he successfully implements the plans the two men have agreed.

    "I do think we will be very competitive next season, otherwise I would not be standing here. But it will have to be done in the way that Ipswich, Brentford or Bournemouth have done. It will not be spend, spend, spend," said Freedman.

    "We have had more talks with the owner and we are on the same page. We will talk this weekend to see if we can come to an agreement over the contract. That will happen tomorrow (Saturday) and we will see where we can go.

    "The chairman has a strategy and policy that I want to put in place. Before it was all about trying to buy players. That cannot happen now. If I can prove that I can work within a budget, we can work through the (FFP) situation we are in."

    Forest's play-off chances were virtually killed off by a 2-1 Good Friday defeat at the hands of Wolves at the City Ground.

    But Freedman has seen enough from his time at the club to believe Forest can challenge for promotion next season.

    "We can compete in this division. I am not going to point my finger at anyone, but when you only win a handful of games out of 20, that is where the problem is," he said. "If we had won six or seven out of 20, we might be able to compete now.

    "We will be competitive and we will do it the Nottingham Forest way. We will have our own brand. That will mean blooding a few young players, it will mean getting a few loan players in at the right time, and acquiring players here who want to be here – and not just for financial reasons.

    "That has been the case in the past. There are a lot of agents who have brought their players here purely for financial reasons and that is not going to be the case now. I want to get that message across – I will refuse to pay players more money than they are worth. If they do not want to come, they will not come."

    Freedman did not want to be drawn into whether Forest's play-off hopes are now dead and buried, ahead of a difficult game at Brentford on Monday.

    "You guys in the media can talk about that, I will just be focussed on putting out a team that is well organised and committed and that is what we got (against Wolves)," he said. "It is never over until the music stops and I will make judgements on these players right until the final minutes of the Cardiff game. I have a responsibility to the fans to make sure my team is committed and give it a go. I felt we did that.

    "I am not looking forward to the summer yet, I am looking forward to the next match. I want to enjoy the games we have left. I want to look at them and ask what we can do better.

    "We need to build a club with players who are hungry, who want to be here, who want to get this club out of this division. We had that spirit at Palace when I was there."
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    Kenny Burns's thoughts on Mackie : http://www.nottinghampost.com/Kenny-...ail/story.html

    To be honest I would rather have the 2 Burke's for the right hand side myself too.

    Out of the more senior loanees he seems the most realistic to be signed by their current loan club to get a deal done quickly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by esseyno1 View Post
    can anyone tell us what our wage bill currently is?
    Last season it was over 150% of turnover, we've since added Burke, Assombalonga, Antonio, Mancienne, Tesche and Fryatt at what I imagine is a considerable cost and at least as much as what we've saved by any sales or loans out since. Whatever it is it needs to be lowered by huge amounts (or turnover rapidly increased) before we'll stop being hit with FFP sanctions.


 

 

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