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    I know it's already been mentioned in the thread about his website but Ken Smales' passing deserves a thread of its own.

    Credit for Forest's glory years primarily belongs with Mr Clough of course and, a fraction of a millimetre behind him, to Peter Taylor.

    But there were a host of others who also contributed. The importance of Jimmy Gordon has been highlighted recently, for example.

    Ken Smales is one of these that deserves credit. It's not an accident that Clough and Taylor's greatest achievements were not to be with Derby - the club where they first came to prominence, but a limited company under the control of the ego-maniac Sam Longson, who could not bear to share the limelight with a man of Clough's luminance. Instead the pair's name will forever be linked to Forest - at that time still a genuine collegiate sports club overseen by a committee and under the day-to-day control of the quietly efficient and self-effacingly decent Ken Smales.

    Smales had no interest in personal glory and just wanted the best for Forest, and was more than happy to tidy up the administration of the club and let Clough and Taylor let loose their wild and unpredictable genius. Despite the success on the field, the late 70s and the 80s were times of serious financial challenge for Forest, and the contribution of the simple effectiveness of Smales in covering Clough's back during his greatest moments is not to be underestimated.

    There must also be several generations of Forest fans for whom reading Smales' ruminative programme notes at ten to three on a Saturday was an integral part of the Forest matchday experience.

    We've seen to our detriment over the last two decades what a huge impact affairs off the pitch can have over the footballing fate of the club, but you only really notice it when it goes wrong. Times may have changed in football, but it was partly due to Ken Smales that we didn't really have to think about such matters in those days, and could instead concentrate entranced on the show unfolding before our eyes.

    RIP Ken - a true gentleman who loved this club of ours. There can be few non-footballing figures in its history who have contributed so much to it.


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    Default Re: RIP Ken Smales

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rice x11 View Post
    I know it's already been mentioned in the thread about his website but Ken Smales' passing deserves a thread of its own.

    Credit for Forest's glory years primarily belongs with Mr Clough of course and, a fraction of a millimetre behind him, to Peter Taylor.

    But there were a host of others who also contributed. The importance of Jimmy Gordon has been highlighted recently, for example.

    Ken Smales is one of these that deserves credit. It's not an accident that Clough and Taylor's greatest achievements were not to be with Derby - the club where they first came to prominence, but a limited company under the control of the ego-maniac Sam Longson, who could not bear to share the limelight with a man of Clough's luminance. Instead the pair's name will forever be linked to Forest - at that time still a genuine collegiate sports club overseen by a committee and under the day-to-day control of the quietly efficient and self-effacingly decent Ken Smales.

    Smales had no interest in personal glory and just wanted the best for Forest, and was more than happy to tidy up the administration of the club and let Clough and Taylor let loose their wild and unpredictable genius. Despite the success on the field, the late 70s and the 80s were times of serious financial challenge for Forest, and the contribution of the simple effectiveness of Smales in covering Clough's back during his greatest moments is not to be underestimated.

    There must also be several generations of Forest fans for whom reading Smales' ruminative programme notes at ten to three on a Saturday was an integral part of the Forest matchday experience.

    We've seen to our detriment over the last two decades what a huge impact affairs off the pitch can have over the footballing fate of the club, but you only really notice it when it goes wrong. Times may have changed in football, but it was partly due to Ken Smales that we didn't really have to think about such matters in those days, and could instead concentrate entranced on the show unfolding before our eyes.

    RIP Ken - a true gentleman who loved this club of ours. There can be few non-footballing figures in its history who have contributed so much to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rice x11 View Post
    I know it's already been mentioned in the thread about his website but Ken Smales' passing deserves a thread of its own.

    Credit for Forest's glory years primarily belongs with Mr Clough of course and, a fraction of a millimetre behind him, to Peter Taylor.

    But there were a host of others who also contributed. The importance of Jimmy Gordon has been highlighted recently, for example.

    Ken Smales is one of these that deserves credit. It's not an accident that Clough and Taylor's greatest achievements were not to be with Derby - the club where they first came to prominence, but a limited company under the control of the ego-maniac Sam Longson, who could not bear to share the limelight with a man of Clough's luminance. Instead the pair's name will forever be linked to Forest - at that time still a genuine collegiate sports club overseen by a committee and under the day-to-day control of the quietly efficient and self-effacingly decent Ken Smales.

    Smales had no interest in personal glory and just wanted the best for Forest, and was more than happy to tidy up the administration of the club and let Clough and Taylor let loose their wild and unpredictable genius. Despite the success on the field, the late 70s and the 80s were times of serious financial challenge for Forest, and the contribution of the simple effectiveness of Smales in covering Clough's back during his greatest moments is not to be underestimated.

    There must also be several generations of Forest fans for whom reading Smales' ruminative programme notes at ten to three on a Saturday was an integral part of the Forest matchday experience.

    We've seen to our detriment over the last two decades what a huge impact affairs off the pitch can have over the footballing fate of the club, but you only really notice it when it goes wrong. Times may have changed in football, but it was partly due to Ken Smales that we didn't really have to think about such matters in those days, and could instead concentrate entranced on the show unfolding before our eyes.

    RIP Ken - a true gentleman who loved this club of ours. There can be few non-footballing figures in its history who have contributed so much to it.
    Very well played sir. RIP


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    A sad loss. A selfless and valued servant to the club for many years. Rest in peace.


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    Ken was a top man who had a real impact on the club at every level. His Forest Forays website a few years ago had some real gems on it, but as his health declined sadly so did the site. He was right behind the scenes making a major contribution for many years and happily saw us through our most successful period historically which is unlikely ever to be repeated. Men like Ken put into place the conditions that made this happen and we should certainly honour him for his considerable contributions. Applause before kick off at the next home game might be the least we could do.


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    BrianRice x11, an excellent post and one that goes a little way towards showing the younger generation just what an integral part of the history and past of Forest that Ken was. The fact that he was usually in the background speaks volumes both of the man himself and of his work in helping NFFC run.

    A stalwart of the club, even if unsung at times.

    His memory will live on in his meticulously prepared books.

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    As you say Brian Ken always wrote the opening column in the program. It always seemed like reading a letter from a loved uncle. R[P Ken


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    RIP Ken.


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    Default Re: RIP Ken Smales

    Good that a great servant of the club is recognised by fellow Forest fans.


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    I was little a disappointed, though sadly, not at all surprised, that Dave Mackay's albeit brief association with the club wasn't acknowledged in some small way last week, but I'll be expecting the full works for Ken - black armbands, minute silence/applause, the lot, in recognition of his service to the club.

    Long before the emergence of the cult of the 'personality' CEO, as the mere "club secretary", Ken, quietly and efficiently ran the show from top-to-bottom behind the scenes for 20-odd years with none of the fanfare afforded to the publicity-conscious suits who attempt to do the same job these days.

    RIP Ken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    I was little a disappointed, though sadly, not at all surprised, that Dave Mackay's, albeit brief association with the club wasn't acknowledged in some small way last week, but I'll be expecting the full works for Ken - black armbands, minutes silence/applause, the lot, in recognition of his service to the club.

    Long before the emergence of cult of the 'personality' CEO, as mere "club secretary", Ken, quietly and efficiently ran the show from top-to-bottom behind the scenes for 20-odd years with none of the fanfare afforded to the publicity-conscious suits who attempt to do the same job these days.

    RIP Ken.
    This is so true!I too really hope the club gives Ken the proper acknowledgement he deserves.


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    It would be a shame if his passing is not marked in a special way.

    I'm sure many of us who have supported the club for many years, but at a distance, knew his name and his position at the club, but had no real idea just how much he gave to the club. Simply because he worked to do a good job and sought no special recognition.

    In the best traditions of the term, a good man.


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    Default Re: RIP Ken Smales

    Has anybody contacted the club to see if they are aware?


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    It mustn't be forgotten that he was also a great servant of Notts. CCC, holding the record of taking 10 wickets in an innings (sometime in the mid 50's).

    I met him on a few occasions, and he truly was a gentleman, in all senses of the word.

    He will always be remembered as well by older members as "the man who didn't sign the papers" and so prevent the transfer of Ian Storey-Moore to Brian Cloughs Derby county, and all that that would have entailed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley View Post
    Very well played sir. RIP
    His programme notes were superb,bringing to life the behind the scenes goings on to an avid teenage fan.His contribution to NFFC was immense.RIP Ken,a gentleman & true red.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Foster View Post
    Has anybody contacted the club to see if they are aware?
    Thankfully, Ken's passing does get a mention on the OS. Whether that will generate a full and proper matchday tribute from the club remains to be seen. I won't be holding my breath in anticipation a week tonight though.

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    RIP Ken.


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    Flagman on our Ken


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    Thought provoking and well considered. Well done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Flagman on our Ken
    Slight inaccuracy, Ken's 10 wickets for Notts was in 1956, not 1966 as quoted.


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    Well done Flagman


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    A genuine Forest Man and a thoroughly nice guy as well.

    RIP Ken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virgo View Post
    Slight inaccuracy, Ken's 10 wickets for Notts was in 1956, not 1966 as quoted.
    Can I say it's a typo & chastise the sub-editor?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagman View Post
    Can I say it's a typo & chastise the sub-editor?!



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    Aahhhh, the Clarkson smiley !


 

 

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