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    Is it a fair standard?

    Should we be sacking managers who don't meet it?




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    If it is the glory years would never have happened


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Is it a fair standard?

    Should we be sacking managers who don't meet it?

    Its THE standard for this league, dont like it? Go play in Europe where it's easy.

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    This is our year. So excited


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Is it a fair standard?

    Should we be sacking managers who don't meet it?

    Fuck that I’ll only accept top


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest ash View Post
    This is our year. So excited
    There might be something in this............


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Is it a fair standard?

    Should we be sacking managers who don't meet it?

    Which Christmas? Not the next one surely


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Fuck that I’ll only accept top
    I’m a soft pushover. I’d accept second.

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    Judging mid-season targets by table position can be quite misleading.

    You could be in 6th position and 14 points off automatic or in 7th position and 8 points off automatic.

    Thatís why I dislike these black and white targets or simplistic spreadsheets that senior management put in place without being fair or reasonable to factor in other elements.

    Has there been crucial injuries?
    Was has recent form been like, and what is the reason for that?
    With the transfer window approaching, who can we buy who can push us on for the automatic spots?
    Whatís the morale of the squad like?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy22 View Post
    Judging mid-season targets by table position can be quite misleading.

    You could be in 6th position and 14 points off automatic or in 7th position and 8 points off automatic.

    That’s why I dislike these black and white targets or simplistic spreadsheets that senior management put in place without being fair or reasonable to factor in other elements.

    Has there been crucial injuries?
    Was has recent form been like, and what is the reason for that?
    With the transfer window approaching, who can we buy who can push us on for the automatic spots?
    What’s the morale of the squad like?
    That's bang on mate.

    I really wish we'd just get into the habit of giving managers at least 1 full season so we can judge properly.

    I accept the need for change if relegation is a genuine threat, but other than that we should be at least seeing a full season through with the same chap in charge.

    I think that, this decade, every year which we've sacked someone mid-season has seen us finish further down the table than the position the chap sacked left us in? Let's check

    SOD 7th - Mcliesh 13th - Davies 8th
    Davies 7th - Brazil 11th
    Pearce 12th - Dougie 16th
    Dougie 14th - Williams 16th
    Monty 20th - Warbs - 21st
    Warbs 13th - AK 17th
    AK 7th - MON 9th

    In 7 out of 7 years it has moved us further down the table. 100% failure.

    Not ONCE has it moved us to a higher position. Yet we're cursed with owners who think that sacking managers mid-season is the way to get promoted.

    How fucktarded are these owners to keep doing it over & over, despite this mind-smashingly obvious fact?

    Last edited by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos; 07-07-19 at 09:43.

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    That’s the problem Alf. When you sack a manager mid-season, owners never seem to consider the disruption to the whole club and the massive knock to the player’s togetherness; what he’s spent a long time building with them.

    Unless we’re in a relegation battle, there’s just no positives in changing the manager half-way through. Wait to the season end, when everyone is regrouping anyway, then do it. Also gives you a fair chance to see how the manager performed given a full season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    Is it a fair standard?

    Should we be sacking managers who don't meet it?

    Dunno whether we should be, but we will be if we aren't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMANRED View Post
    If it is the glory years would never have happened
    To be fair, the glory years were played 4 decades ago in a different era

    this 'standard' - if that's what people want to call it - is a modern era phenomenon


    I'm a long term back-don't-sack the manager, never been part of the out-brigade and only hardly ever been part of the not-welcome-here-brigade - but seems a churlish approach to the debate about patience in the modern game to refer back to a different time

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    Points wise as long as were closer to the top six than the bottom three. A point nearer bottom three and I'll be frothing at the mouth calling the manager a dinosaur, pointing out his win percentage, flip flopping between wanting to play experience over youth, demanding a new formation, blaming Paul Taylor, smacking a fellow fan and generally going fucking crazy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    That's bang on mate.

    I really wish we'd just get into the habit of giving managers at least 1 full season so we can judge properly.

    I accept the need for change if relegation is a genuine threat, but other than that we should be at least seeing a full season through with the same chap in charge.

    I think that, this decade, every year which we've sacked someone mid-season has seen us finish further down the table than the position the chap sacked left us in? Let's check

    SOD 7th - Mcliesh 13th - Davies 8th
    Davies 7th - Brazil 11th
    Pearce 12th - Dougie 16th
    Dougie 14th - Williams 16th
    Monty 20th - Warbs - 20th - PAR!!!
    Warbs 13th - AK 17th
    AK 7th - MON 9th

    In 6 out of 7 years it has moved us further down the table, with the one year it didn't keeping us in the same position.

    How fucktarded are these owners to keep doing it over & over, despite this mind-smashingly obvious fact?
    It is incredible when you make such a simple list like that and there’s concrete proof it doesn’t work.

    It’s very similar to Premier League teams who sacked their managers still getting relegated. I’m not gonna go work it out but I remember being a very low percentage with some teams sacking their manager and doing even worse I mean, one team immediately springs to mind.


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    Default Re: Top 6 by Xmas

    My only objection to this thread is the use of the term "Xmas"

    Mods can you sort please?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy22 View Post
    Judging mid-season targets by table position can be quite misleading.

    You could be in 6th position and 14 points off automatic or in 7th position and 8 points off automatic.

    Thatís why I dislike these black and white targets or simplistic spreadsheets that senior management put in place without being fair or reasonable to factor in other elements.

    Has there been crucial injuries?
    Was has recent form been like, and what is the reason for that?
    With the transfer window approaching, who can we buy who can push us on for the automatic spots?
    Whatís the morale of the squad like?
    Our own fans don't even follow this so why would we expect the chairman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-ugginblowupyourbakery View Post
    That's bang on mate.

    I really wish we'd just get into the habit of giving managers at least 1 full season so we can judge properly.

    I accept the need for change if relegation is a genuine threat, but other than that we should be at least seeing a full season through with the same chap in charge.

    I think that, this decade, every year which we've sacked someone mid-season has seen us finish further down the table than the position the chap sacked left us in? Let's check

    SOD 7th - Mcliesh 13th - Davies 8th
    Davies 7th - Brazil 11th
    Pearce 12th - Dougie 16th
    Dougie 14th - Williams 16th
    Monty 20th - Warbs - 20th - PAR!!!
    Warbs 13th - AK 17th
    AK 7th - MON 9th

    In 6 out of 7 years it has moved us further down the table, with the one year it didn't keeping us in the same position.

    Not ONCE has it moved us to a higher position. Yet we're cursed with owners who think that sacking managers mid-season is the way to get promoted.

    How fucktarded are these owners to keep doing it over & over, despite this mind-smashingly obvious fact?
    Sacking a manager can be a problem but I think a bigger problem is that the majority of managers the powers that be have picked are very poor and there was obviously no succession planning. The change in styles in some cases were stark and you can't do that mid season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmersonForest4 View Post
    Sacking a manager can be a problem but I think a bigger problem is that the majority of managers the powers that be have picked are very poor and there was obviously no succession planning. The change in styles in some cases were stark and you can't do that mid season.
    See I'd hope folk, owners included, would recognize that you can't have your pick of managers, and therefore styles.

    For one you reliant on them being availble, then wanting to actually come here, and then no other club bullying them off us. you can have an ideal, but need to be ware making that practically happen is another matter.

    The answer for me is to change when it's natural instead of trying to force it. And that's not mid-season when you're in the top half of the table.


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    It’s a big ask of the new manager isn’t it. The top six will comprise of established squads, at least one of the relegated Prem sides, a big spender and teams with an ongoing ethos that stick with a manager, like Bristol City or Sheff Utd for example.

    We are neither of these.

    I’d be happy with being in the top ten by Christmas.


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    10th by May


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    Quote Originally Posted by derbyshirered View Post
    10th by May
    Even though we’ve signed Silva from Man City? We’ll be in the top one mate. Mark my words


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    I suspect it'll be some shite by Ed Sheeran, and Mariah Carey is bound to fucking in it.

    I fucking hate Christmas.


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    Default Re: Top 6 by Christmas

    Wonder who'll be the manager at Xmas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    Even though we’ve signed Silva from Man City? We’ll be in the top one mate. Mark my words
    Well if we are signing loads of portugese players it must be true. Or was that, season 2018/19


 

 

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