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    Me & Mrs S haven't been to as many games as we would have liked this season, and until the Bolton game we had not been impressed with what we were seeing.
    So, we traveled the 185 miles on Saturday more in hope than in expectation.
    The change in the team's approach to the match was fantastic.
    Many have proposed reasons why, and I personally think that the most crucial on field element is the contribution being made by Gary Gardner.
    Sitting just in front of the back 4, he is picking up the opposition's No 10 and inhibiting their effectiveness.
    This has enabled the back 4 to look more solid (Blackpool apart), and allowed Lansbury to be more creative.
    Take GG out again and we have a massive hole there.
    It will be interesting to see, when Manciene returns to the line-up how he links with GG.
    GG - vital man... we need to establish a way of keeping him


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    Default Re: The Importance of Gary Gardner

    Out of contract on 31/05/15.


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    He has been the most important holding midfielder since McKenna from what I have seen so far.

    He rarely sprints around, just sits infront of the back four, and passes it to somebody better. Simple job which requires a lot of discipline and he is doing it well. Let's hope it can continue as it gives everybody ahead of him so much freedom and you can see from the wingers performances, it gives them more freedom and everybody ahead of him less defensive responsibility as they know if they go forward, he will always be there.

    Defensive midfielder role is the most important to any team and in my opinion I would always play one. One of the reasons I am not a fan of 4-4-2 is because there is no holding midfielder. It balances everything so much better.

    The amount of midfield runners we have had in the box in the last few games makes us extremely difficult to defend against when going forward, all of that is because they know somebody is behind them and they don't have to worry if the attack breaks down.

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    Agree with you. Defensively looked solid but also crucially he keeps the ball and keeps the team ticking over. He'll win a headed challenge and play it to a Forest players feet. He'll knock it 40 or 50 yards if the pass is on. He'll intercept cleanly and find a Forest player.

    Is he really out of contract 31/05/15. Such a shame we've got no money as he would have been a superb buy.


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    It's the structure that Dougie installed in the team. Every player knows their roles and what they are supposed to be doing within their jobscope hence the improvement.

    Under SP , he looked as bad as every other midfielder that we had playing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by marshal99 View Post
    It's the structure that Dougie installed in the team. Every player knows their roles and what they are supposed to be doing within their jobscope hence the improvement.
    You can see the difference. Players have been given specific roles and they know what they are doing.


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    For a relatively inexperienced player he's very level headed with great reading of the game. I've been impressed. Be great if we can tempt him in the summer if indeed he is out of contract.


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    Quote Originally Posted by derbyshirered View Post
    Out of contract on 31/05/15.
    Interesting. If that's the case, we need to move heaven and earth to keep this guy.

    We could sign him as he'd be a Free Agent, although I doubt he will be short of potential suitors.

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    He has a contract until 30.06.2016 at Villa. So we would have to get him back on loan.

    His contract here ends on the 31st, not at Villa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    He has a contract until 30.06.2016 at Villa. So we would have to get him back on loan.

    His contract here ends on the 31st, not at Villa.

    Curses.


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    Depends on whether villa is relegated or not. He is at that age where he's either going to make it or he's not. In the summer , he's going to be 23. Villa might want to sell and that pretty much rules us out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    He has a contract until 30.06.2016 at Villa. So we would have to get him back on loan.

    His contract here ends on the 31st, not at Villa.
    Yes you're are correct'sorry about that duff info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by derbyshirered View Post
    Yes you're are correct'sorry about that duff info.



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    Quote Originally Posted by marshal99 View Post
    Depends on whether villa is relegated or not. He is at that age where he's either going to make it or he's not. In the summer , he's going to be 23. Villa might want to sell and that pretty much rules us out.
    Hopefully the player pulls Villa's arm about it and gets a move here, as he seems to be loving his time here. From what I have heard he hasn't had the most successful loan spells elsewhere.

    He has a good attitude, which is excellent and gives you more of a reason to try and get him back.


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    The DM role under Freedman is made a little easier by the new found space in midfield made by willing runners.
    That said, GG is a classy looking player, happy to dwell a little longer on the ball to sniff out a pass. He also has the physical attributes to nullify aerial threat. MOM for me Saturday, he is the catalyst for everything that is good about us at present.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    The DM role under Freedman is made a little easier by the new found space in midfield made by willing runners.
    That said, GG is a classy looking player, happy to dwell a little longer on the ball to sniff out a pass. He also has the physical attributes to nullify aerial threat. MOM for me Saturday, he is the catalyst for everything that is good about us at present.
    My MOM too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    He has been the most important holding midfielder since McKenna from what I have seen so far.

    He rarely sprints around, just sits infront of the back four, and passes it to somebody better. Simple job which requires a lot of discipline and he is doing it well. Let's hope it can continue as it gives everybody ahead of him so much freedom and you can see from the wingers performances, it gives them more freedom and everybody ahead of him less defensive responsibility as they know if they go forward, he will always be there.

    Defensive midfielder role is the most important to any team and in my opinion I would always play one. One of the reasons I am not a fan of 4-4-2 is because there is no holding midfielder. It balances everything so much better.

    The amount of midfield runners we have had in the box in the last few games makes us extremely difficult to defend against when going forward, all of that is because they know somebody is behind them and they don't have to worry if the attack breaks down.
    Well, one of the reasons why I was a fan of the old Forest 4-4-2's was because there was no holding midfielder
    Both centre mids able to break forwards and get involved used to be great. But that was a different time in Forest's life, and I'd be prepared to accept by the accounts of people now that Gardner is very useful in that role. Plus in 93-94 Phillips played the role (in a different way I assume - being older and less mobile) and arguably McGovern did it in the glorious 70's period (at least he held back as a CM to anchor the midfield I suppose).

    Anyway, having one striker and letting the wingers be forwards allows one player, with decent skill too, to sit back a bit surely. And it's a bit like the 4-5-1 from 93-94 if the wingers and CM's get forwards plenty in support of the striker which seems to be how it's working out.

    Interesting though as he does seem to have the attributes to play more of a box to box role. I think we assumed he would when he first arrived, but Dougie has found a good balance with him holding back it seems (makes more sense than Lansbury trying to do that and spray the ball around too). Seems harsh on Tesche maybe but the 3 in midfield currently might be the basis of any late run for the play-offs if they can keep playing together?

    Like Trickie Trees says, keeping the ball ticking over while also covering the defence can't be a bad thing. It's pretty much what that man McGovern did isn't it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickie Trees View Post
    Agree with you. Defensively looked solid but also crucially he keeps the ball and keeps the team ticking over. He'll win a headed challenge and play it to a Forest players feet. He'll knock it 40 or 50 yards if the pass is on. He'll intercept cleanly and find a Forest player.

    Is he really out of contract 31/05/15. Such a shame we've got no money as he would have been a superb buy.
    His a non biscuit vaughan, was suprised vaughan didnt get a run of matches. Suprised thought tesche would have fulfilled that role.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry1982 View Post
    His a non biscuit vaughan, was suprised vaughan didnt get a run of matches. Suprised thought tesche would have fulfilled that role.
    I like Vaughan but the advantage particularly Gardener has is his height and ariel ability as well as being excellent technically. Vaughan can be outmuscled and outjumped as a defensive midfielder.

    I still think Tesche could be Gardner's replacement for injury and into next season. Mancienne is another one. A run of games at CM and I think he could be good too.


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    I am not convinced by Teshche by any means. He's an okay midfielder , as far as mancienne , likewise at dm.


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    Tesche was one of the more consistent players during SPs reign. The reason GG is so good is because he's a PL player, on loan. Tesche would be sought after by anyone in our position. Solid no nonsense midfielder with an evil shot on him.


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    I suppose the thing with playing Gardner in that role too, apart from generally being the best player for the job in terms of shielding but then getting our move started, is that if Forest are behind he still has the capability to drive forwards and try to help get the equaliser/winner if the situation presents itself.


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    Equally as impressed as everyone else.
    Even in his first game he looked sharp and was trying to boost morale. But since DF arrived he's got even better and been a key player in that position, something we've missed since Pep.

    Vaughan is too unreliable, I like him but it's just become tiresome how often he is injured. Tesche doesn't have the same tenacity that Gardner has imo.


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    Great find by Pearce.


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    Tesche is a frustrating player for me as he has everything but a defence splitting pass, so with him we seem to be more square and slow in build up.
    Mancienne - he could be a good shoe-in if Garner doesn't stay (I think he will struggle to establish himself at CB once Wilson and Hobbs are both reliably fit and working together).
    Vaughan looks increasingly isolated and past it... I wonder what his attitude is like on the training ground.


 

 

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