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    We played really well with the 451 but still hoofed it a bit but we got players pressing and the tempo upped. We also got numbers in the right areas, Pearce should stick with it now and perfect. There is no such thing as a poor formation or a poor tactic but it all depends on your players you have at hand and whist the 451 worked well for us I hope we never see the 442 with these players as it is awful for us. If we want two up front then the 352 is our best formation.

    Also Veldwijk can get benefit from this, I know he hasnt really put a performance in to be excited about but I do see something in him and he has got good technique.

    As for style of play you can be direct and hoof it and play attractive football as long at it isnt aimless, and you can say the same for tippy tappy that can also be aimless just like SODs team.

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    What do you think Reds?

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    Best formation for style of play?


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    Bring back 2-3-5.

    We were an early exponent of that in the 80s.

    The 1880s that is.

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    I do feel the old formation side of things gets over thought a bit too much.

    The reason the Derby game worked is because we killed it as a football match completely and utterly. We all know how good they are if they get the ball down and knock it about. We turned it into a battle and made sure we won it. Despite taking a while to get into it we still restricted them really well the only time they looked particularly dangerous was from corners. It's one of them games where you can tolerate ugly football because it's all about the result and that was our best chance of getting it.

    Most weeks though it's not going to be Derby day. It's not about systems and formations and blah-blah-blah. We go with an attacking mentality into a game, we support our forward players in attacking positions and we try and knock it about a bit rather than aimless hoofing it forward we will win a lot more than we lose. We did it early on in the season and got the results and it was far from bad to watch either. It's not like we are lacking in terms of talent to pull that game off either.


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    4-5-1. Midfield domination wins games. Three in CM allows width whilst protecting the centre of the pitch. It allows Antonio opportunity to attack whilst leaving cover with numbers in midfield.

    With Lansbury, Tesche and Gardener we also have players with an engine to get forwards to support attack and legs to get back and defend.

    The potentially biggest weakness in the system is that Britt isn't an out an out lone striker. Against Derby he did well and I think he has the pace and ability to play it. We also have players with the legs like Antonio and Gardener who can support him.


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    When Tesche arrived at Forest I thought he might be backup for a possibly injury-prone Vaughan. But he's not that kind of player at all. I've been impressed with his front play. I do think the 4-5-1 could work but we need the midfielders to understand their role, and how it works with each other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-Hasawi View Post
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    Osborn + 10 other


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    4-4-2 won us the World Cup, easy to type into a spreadsheet too. Why complicate things?

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    Last edited by Red Duster; 20-01-15 at 23:10. Reason: i like things just so

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    Keep a midfield 5, we have too. A tight midfield like against Derby, first time we have played like that under Pearce for ages and it shown. Osborn helped in the fact he played much narrower.

    A midfield 5 with runners from the midfield 5 is much more attacking than a standard 4-4-2 as you don't get those runners. It all depends how you play it.

    Anybody find it interesting that Osborn in his interview on Forest Playrr said they set up with a solid defence instead of attacking which they have done recently. This is a bit worrying - first thing you should do is try not to get beat. You have to walk before you can run - I hope we go to Fulham with a similar gameplan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Duster View Post
    4-4-2 won us the World Cup, easy to type into a spreadsheet too. Why complicate things?

    /edit
    Assuming you're English, 4-3-3 won the World Cup.

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    Does mean I will hear on the train loads of moaning. "You can't play one up front at the City Ground....blah, blah, blah". I think we need to give it a go for a few games with the same team with one or two changes where its a necessity. Continuity, familiarity and strength in midfield is what we need.

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    I'm liking the Osbjorn, Gardner and Tesche combo. Give it another run out tomorrow


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    Quote Originally Posted by tropix View Post
    I'm liking the Osbjorn, Gardner and Tesche combo. Give it another run out tomorrow

    It's defo got a nice blend of attributes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Assuming you're English, 4-3-3 won the World Cup.
    I'm gonna call it 4-4-2 diamond! (4-1-2-1-2 - wingless wonders anyway). The captions always showed 4-3-3 though I noticed.


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    And 4-5-1 was great in 93/94 for Forest (in a possession based game too). Depends what suits best at the time though. Maybe Pearce will decide what suits best soon and go on a (good) run with it?


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    I'd replace von Paulus, and use the 4th Panzer Army to break the Red Army's pincer movement. Wait, wrong thread. And sport.


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    4-5-1 doesn't have to be defensive. In fact most good sides play with it nowadays.

    Most Premier League teams play with 1 up top (or 3 depending how you look at it).

    When we play 4-4-2 our midfield is too overrun and sit miles away from the forwards. I also think it relies too heavily on Antonio defensively and on the ball but that's another debate...


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    4-5-1 is reasonably flexible. You can push the wide players up for a 4-3-3 while still remaining relatively compact in midfield. The key is, in my opinion, to have a good anchor in place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasj View Post
    The key is, in my opinion, to have a good anchor in place.
    Spot on, an absolute bastard who can do two things tackle hard and pass short, anything else is a bonus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J'Psycho'C66 View Post
    Spot on, an absolute bastard who can do two things tackle hard and pass short, anything else is a bonus.
    Mancienne?


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    I think he might do that job really well. He also has good distribution and keeps things simple enough.


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